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Teske's Tidbits (5/14/08) The One About The Summer Forecast

We issued our official summer forecast earlier this evening. Just a refresher on how we go about our seasonal forecasts. We pick one or two unusual monthly numbers for the current season and compare them to past years.  April was key to this year’s summer forecast.  It was unusually warm this April (3rd warmest) and there was little snow (just a trace).  Here is what we found based on these numbers.

 

When looking at the past ten warmest Aprils, 7 out of the 10 following summers were warmer than normal. There also seemed to be a connection between how warm it was in April and the number of 90 degree days. The chances of going above the ‘normal’ number of 90 degree days (which is 8) was only 27% when April was cool. When April temperatures were normal or above normal your odds went above 50% (57% and 56% respectively) but when you narrowed the warm Aprils to just the top ten warmest April the chances for more 90 degree weather shot up to 80%!

 

Now on to the April snow. When we had .1” of snow or less in April in the past, 8 out of the 12 summers that followed were above normal in temperature. You might think that shouldn’t the warmest Aprils also be the least snowy April?. That wasn’t the case.  Only 2 years (1952, 1955) made both lists..  One other note about temperatures: In those 12 years with little or no April snow were the 3 warmest summers in Syracuse history (2005, 1949, 1955).  Here’s another 90 degree connection: 7 out of 12 of these years had at least 18 days when the temperature exceeded 90 degrees.

 

Normally when we do a summer forecast we don’t find much of a signal for wet or dry weather. I think the reason is the more scattered nature of the precipitation. One spot can get 2” of rain from a thunderstorm while 10 miles away just a trace of rain falls. This time around we did find a signal for a drier than normal summer.  7 out 10 summers following warm Aprils were drier than normal.

 

So to sum up, it looks a warmer and drier than normal summer. We are figuring on at least ten 90 degree days.  I’ll throw one more nugget that is not part of the official forecast. It’s my belief that the heat will start early in the summer season since I found the strongest signal of warmth for June.

 

One additional thing I looked at for this summer forecast was how these past Septembers ended up. We all remember how nice (but dry) the late summer/early fall was last year so I thought we could look to see if summer weather would linger through September.  After all, Fall doesn’t officially start until September 21st.

 

Using years with little snow in April as our baseline, we found that 8 out of those 12 years had warmer than normal Septembers and the chances for 90 degrees that late into the season increased as well.

 

Now my ‘buyer beware’ fine print statement. As you look at all this data keep in mind we are still playing percentages. No two summers or winters are exactly alike. Whenever we see what looks like a strong signal the percentage of warmer than normal summers is 70 or 75%.  That means there are 25-30% that are near or below normal in temperature. It’s not all black and white when making the seasonal forecast there is a certain grey area. We’ll see how the next 3 or 4 months pan out. If you have any questions I’ll try my best to answer them.

Published Wednesday, May 14, 2008 10:32 PM by Jim Teske

Comments

 

Sal said:

Let me be the first to commnt on this new blog...your summer outlook is exactly what a summer lover wants to hear...warmer and drier than normal.  That the kind of stuff someone like myself waits all winter for.  And Jim, I'm glad you added your "fine print" comment because it's important to remember that percentages can be a bit tricky.  But in this case, the percentages seem to be in our corner.
Now if you thin this warm pattern will kick into high gear in June, that means we're going to have to turn things around quite quickly as it seems we will remain below normal for the next week or so, which takes us to the Memorial Day Weekend.  Does your crystal ball show that pattern change as we approach June?
As always thanks for doing such a great job on both short and long range forecasts.
May 15, 2008 4:00 AM
 

Jim Teske said:

Sal,

I just commented on the pattern into next week on my previous blog. Slide over there for a couple of minutes to check it out.

An additional comment to everyone about the 'fine print.' I didn't post it to give us an easy out if the forecast turns out wrong. It is to show that ,like any other forecast, there is a certain amount of uncertainty. In this case, I can give you a hard number to back up this uncertainty.  

Jim
May 15, 2008 6:03 AM
 

Dan in Cicero said:

I don't mind warm and dry, but I worry about our already over-burdened infrastructure being able to keep up during the summer; specifically, electricity and water.
May 15, 2008 9:15 AM
 

kathy said:

Bring on summer!  Those of us with pools will be happy to get more use out of them!  
May 15, 2008 9:20 AM
 

Tom said:

Jim,

I noticed you go back 12 years for your "averages". Any reason for that number rather than the usual 30 years for weather averages?
May 15, 2008 11:12 AM
 

Jim Teske said:

Tom,

I'm not sure but I think you may be confused about the 12 years that had little snow in April. It's not a 12 year average but 12 specifc years that we used to make the summer forecast.  These years had .1" or less.  They included:

1949, 1951,1952,1953,1955,1959,1968,1969,1984,1998,1999,2005

Jim
May 16, 2008 6:17 AM
 

Rachel from Oneida County said:

I don't mind it being warm or dry but will be having another serious drought? If we are then I don't like the heat & dryness! If we aren't in danger of having a drought I think I'll be much much happier! I guess we'll just have to wait & see ~
May 16, 2008 1:55 PM
 

Paul said:

How come Accuweathers Prediction is the complete opposite of what Channel 9 said.  Here is the link.  Could you please explain.  Also, they are not using data from the past winters and spring to come up with there forcasts but the Euro Model which is very accurate.

http://www.accuweather.com/mt-news-blogs.asp?partner=accuweather&blog=Anderson&pgurl=/mtweb/content/Anderson/archives/2008/05/updated_summer_monthly_forecast.asp
May 16, 2008 3:19 PM
 

Looking for snow said:

That link is pretty much a summer outlook for canada only and accuweather has to be the worse weather site on the net they are hardly ever right with things.

BTW screw summer bring on winter again.
May 17, 2008 9:33 AM
 

Jim Teske said:

Paul,

Actually you did an excellent job of explaining the differences in how the two summer forecasts were different.  I can't really add anything esle to that.

However, I did do a little research on the European seasonal and monthly forecasts and the way they do it is kind of neat.  Instead of depending on the just the changes going on in the atmosphere the model factors in changes in the sea surface temperatures as well. We know that these changes are key in longer range forecasts (ie El Nino, La Ninas etc.).  Certainly the European model has a good track record in the medium range (ie 6-10 day range) but I think it may be a bit early to claim these monthly and seasonal forecasts are accurate. I could not find anything in the Accu-Weather blog or the ECMWF web page to verify any past seasonal forecasts.  Still it could be an exciting tool to use in the future.

One last note, I'm going to try and anticipate one future question: How does a cooler than normal May figure into our Summer forecast? It looks like it may not have much of an impact.  For example, in the years that followed a lack of snow in April the Mays were split almost down the middle with 5 Above normal in temperature 4 below normal and the rest near normal.

Jim
May 17, 2008 3:21 PM
 

bluedevilsccr said:

any word yet about the possible tornado last night in the sylvan beach area??  i know some places have been saying it hit the camden area, but when i saw the radar last night camden wasn't even getting hit by rain or anything and it was a lot farther south.  
May 18, 2008 10:31 AM
 

Jim Teske said:

bluedevilsccr,

No report back from the National Weather Service as of early Sunday afternoon.  I think they were going to survey damage from the Camden storm but they may not investigate the Sylvan Beach storm. I would check their web site out of Binghamton later in the day for any reports:

http://www.erh.noaa.gov/er/bgm/

Also, here is the most complete report so far out on the web:

http://www.uticaod.com/news/x1874996427/Weather-team-head-to-Camden-Sunday

Jim
May 18, 2008 12:21 PM
 

Michael B said:

WSYR9 is forecasting a maximum temperature tomorrow of 49 degrees. The normal high is 70 degrees. That is a staggering 21 degrees below normal! Outrageous! No wonder Central New York has the 5th worst weather in the U.S.
One small consolation:Believe it or not it has been colder than that in late May-
40 degrees on 5/24/24.
May 18, 2008 5:52 PM
 

Jim Teske said:

Here is the official report on the Camden storm.  It was a tornado:

http://www.crh.noaa.gov/product.php?site=BGM&issuedby=BGM&product=LSR&format=txt&version=1&glossary=0

Michael B,

I'm curious, who ranked higher than Syracuse?

Jim
May 18, 2008 8:18 PM
 

Justin said:

Any connection with cold Mays and the following summer months?
May 19, 2008 6:33 AM
 

Bonnie said:

Justin: Jim answered that question up above already.  It is pretty discouraging.  I was swimming in the pool this time last year!  Looks like it's going to be at least 2-3 weeks yet.
May 19, 2008 7:02 AM
 

Michael B said:

There was something about places with the worst weather in the newspaper but it was several years ago. I do not remember who did the survey.
May 19, 2008 8:10 AM
 

bluedevilsccr said:

jim, just wondering, how bad is it that there was a tornado and no warning or anything was given at the time, not even after the reports of it?  i know its uncommon to have a tornado, especially up in camden, but they did obviously had one but nothing was really done at the time.
May 20, 2008 5:43 AM
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