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Weather Quieting a Bit for the Midweek and a Look Beyond

Posted 9:30 AM Tuesday, 3/11/2008- Dave Longley - Another beautiful sunny day is on tap today, get out there and enjoy it.  You really notice the sun now in the evening, following the switch to eastern daylight time.  I noticed that cleaning up from dinner last night.

We're watching a cold front this morning just north of the US/Canadian border, northwest of the Great Lakes, that will be our next weather maker.  This front will bring an increase in clouds this evening (may marr our sunset) and some snow in here after midnight.  This thing is moisture starved, but we could still squeeze out a dusting to an inch or so of snow by the time we wake up Wednesday morning.

The real cold with this front should stay to our north, but we will get kissed by some colder air tomorrow, so temperatures will only make it to near 35.  Based on an analysis yesterday, Lake Ontario water temperatures have cooled to 36  degrees F, so we would need temperatures around 12 or 13 degrees F at 850mb over the lake to get lake effect precipitation.  We don't quite get there tomorrow, but there should be enough moisture to get some snow showers going.  I think we'll get some sun out tomorrow afternoon.  It should be breezy tomorrow afternoon, but at this point, it looks to be a longshot to get much more than an inch of new snow tomorrow.

Things will clear out Wednesday night, and we may see some sun Thursday morning.  A strong push of warmer air will be coming at us, and that will bring clouds and our next chance of precipitation Thursday.  We may be just cold enough for some snow at the start, but should change to rain in the afternoon.  Again, precipitation amounts look to be light.  With the clouds and precip., I lowered the high from the 47 down into the low 40s. 

Forcing for precipitation looks weak into Friday, and we should be warm enough for a mix of rain or wet snow showers.  Clouds may be pretty stubborn during the day Friday, which could keep temperatures a little cooler than what they might otherwise get to.

Now the weekend.  Of course, it's the St. Patrick's Parade in Syracuse.  All the models have been showing a system coming at us from the central US.  The GFS continues to be the most developed with this storm, placing a fairly deep storm over NYC by Sunday morning.  The GFS has some support from the ensembles and the UKMET.  The Euro is weaker, faster and farther south.  the trend that I've seen is for this storm to be slower and a bit farther south than earlier forecasts.  This would lead me to believe that we could see the first half to 3/4 of Saturday dry, with some snow flurries moving in late in the day.    This would be with either solution.

If the deeper GFS solution verifies, we would have wind and snow Saturday night and Sunday.  If the faster, weaker solution is the way to go, we would see just a few flurries Sunday.  Temperatures will be in the low 30s Sunday as some cooler air does get drawn down into CNY.

Beyond that we'll have 2 things we'll be watching.  1, which I've mentioned in earlier posts, is the NAO going negative.  Probably the most negative that we've seen since December.  This would lead to cooler than normal air being locked in across the Northeast US.  That's not to say we can't get mild, but the overall average over the next 7-10 days looks to be below normal.

The other thing we're watching is a very active southern branch of the jet stream.  At times this may lead to very unsettled weather in the southwestern US and an increase in severe weather across the southern Plains.  IF.  Notice that's a big IFIF something in the southern stream can get linked up with the rather persistent trough in the NE US, then we could have a storm of rain and snow in the eastern US.  If the phasing doesn't occur, then the southern stream system would likely harmlessly scoot off the mid Atlantic coast and not bother us.  Notice I said rain or snow.  There is no arctic air interaction at all, so these storms would have limited cold air to work with, and we'd be right on the fence of rain/snow.  A rather typical March scenario.

That should give you enough to chew on.  Comments as always are welcome.

Dave

Published Tuesday, March 11, 2008 9:32 AM by dlongley

Comments

 

Scott said:

Dave, Thanks for taking the time to give us such a through update. Looks like a calm week ahead so we all can catch our breath, at least untill the weekend. One thing, your sister station in Rochester
(ABC channel 13 wham.) is predicting the jet stream to "dip" in the west and "lift" in the east after next weekend, allowing warm air from the plains to come into the region for next week. This seems to differ from your data you talked about in your blog.  Just wondering if you had any thoughts on this.
P.S. Almost 40 and full sun, maybe not steak on the grill time yet but I think we going to try hots or hamburgs this evening, seeing that we have an extra hour of sunshine to enjoy.
March 11, 2008 1:02 PM
 

dlongley said:

Scott - I haven't seen what they're saying, but I'm guessing that they're talking about the first half of next week.  A storm is forecast to develop in the southwestern US, that will temporarily pump up the jet in the east, bring temperatures near to above normal for the middle of next week.  That is temporary though, and the overall trend, at least as I see it this afternoon, is for a trough to set up in the east, with minor visits to mild air.

-Dave
March 11, 2008 2:38 PM
 

DaSteenky Guy said:

This is all very frightening.  I fell and broke my hips on the icy roads.  Now I just at the flaming hot cheetos and my fanny is on fire!
March 11, 2008 6:19 PM
 

docbud said:

Sounds to me like DaSteenky Guy fell and broke his head.

Do us a favor, pal, and keep your day job. Comedy is not your thing...

Did you take the short bus to school when you were a kid?
March 11, 2008 7:20 PM
 

Bonnie said:

Days are counting down less and less til I can open that pool!!
March 11, 2008 8:24 PM
 

Shawn said:

Once AGAIN, our friends at Accu Weather are hyping up a "possible storm" for the weekend..http://www.accuweather.com/news-top-headline.asp?partner=accuweather&traveler=0

Comments Dave or Jim?
March 11, 2008 9:24 PM
 

dlongley said:

Shawn, yeah, I'm not surprised by the AccuWx hype.  I saw a map on the Weather Channel yesterday indicating the possibility of heavier snow Saturday.  I'm not buying it.  The Euro keeps the system supressed to the south, and each new run of the GFS supports that farther south solution.  The NAM is showing something coming at us late Saturday/Saturday night, but because it is the outlier, I'm going to discount it for now.

-Dave
March 12, 2008 5:35 AM
 

Ryan said:

Dave L/Jim T
Do you see any future blocking on the Atlantic.  Someone was talking about it yesterday and said if this happens or were to happen, and a storm was to come up the coast as we have seen every weekend since December, could it just stay stationary spinning off the northeast and dumping feet of snow on us and eveyone else on the northeast?  Also, from what I can see in our pattern over the next few weeks seems to be cooler weather with little precip.  The winds would generally be out of the west/north west which would keep our temps cooler than normal but wouldnt mean more sunshine and less clouds?  My final question is how much lake effect do we see for this time of the year from times past.  It seems lake effect would only be an issue if we had a low track close enough bringing cold air over the lake with some strong winds like we saw over the weekend.  Besides the aftermath of the storms, do we really see any lake effect during this time of the year?
Thanks
March 12, 2008 10:27 AM
 

Jim Teske said:

Ryan,

The computer models are strongly hinting that mid to late next week there will be blocking going on over the North Atlantic Ocean.  Dave L. earlier mentioned the NAO going negative and another index we use (the AO) also is forecast to go negative.  Certainly that would mean below normal temperatures headed into Easter weekend and the following week. Whether that means a big storm remains to be seen. One thing lacking is a positive PNA (ie a ridge along the West Coast).

I do think this pattern would mean some more lake effect snow.  The last few years  late March and early April lake effect snow was not all that uncommon.  You may want to check the yearly archives from the National Weather Weather-Buffalo Lake Effect page:

http://www.erh.noaa.gov/buf/lakeffect/indexlk.html

These archives only highlight some of the more memorbale lake effect events and don't include times when lake effect wasn't as impactful.

Jim
March 12, 2008 5:50 PM
 

skitoggrob said:

is this lake effect coming off the lake right now i see?!?!
March 12, 2008 9:14 PM
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