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When Do We Get Out of the Icebox?

Posted 9:30 Thursday by Dave Longley - The temperature is a whopping 5 degrees as I write this, and I've just about reached the breaking point.  I know in reading the posts there are a lot of snowmobilers and skiers hankering for more snow, but I've played nice long enough.  I want to smell the fresh cut grass and hit that first drive down the fairway.  Oh well, at least we get to move the clocks ahead 1 hour next weekend (3/9) so that will get us some daylight later in the day.  Anyway, I digress.  Let's talk about the weather!

Arctic air has settled in over us, and it's looking like temperatures will struggle to reach the low teens today.  At least the wind is light, so wind chills shouldn't end up much below zero today.  At least we're seeing a little sun.

As for the lake effect snow.  As long as we have cold air crossing the open waters of Lake Ontario, we will see some snow coming in across central New York.  Thus far, the snow has been anything but impressive, and that's due to the VERY dry air crossing the narrow part of Lake Ontario.  That Great Lake is having to do all the work on its own.  That will change for a bit later today.  Winds are forecast to become more westerly, which means we'll get a bit more moisture input from the Upper Great Lakes and the cold air will be spending a bit more time over Lake Ontario.  So, what does this mean?  I think we'll see an increase in snow later today near or just north of Syracuse, and in particular across Oswego county.  This will not be super heavy snow.  Let me repeat.  THIS WILL NOT BE SUPER HEAVY SNOW.  But if this happens and you live underneath this band of snow, you could pick up a few inches of fluff, especially near the shoreline in northern Cayuga and Oswego counties from later today, into the first half of tonight.

High pressure building over us tonight will squash that snow.  Also, we'll lose the moisture input from the upper lakes.  The winds will become light and switch to the southeast.  After midnight, any lake effect will retreat to the shoreline, and we'll see some clearing.  With the fresh snow, we're still candidates for another cold morning tomorrow, with lows around 5.  Probably below zero away from any lake effect clouds.

We'll start with some sun tomorrow.  Then clouds and wind will increase tomorrow as our next storm drops in from the north and west.  This storm will spread some snow in here later tomorrow and tomorrow night with a couple of inches possible across all of CNY by Saturday morning.  During the day Saturday, this system is forecast to strengthen to our east, and will yank down some more chilly air.  We'll have some wind and occasional snow around most of the area Saturday, with temps falling from the low 30s in the morning, into the 20s by afternoon.  There could be some heavier lake effect snow affecting the Tug Hill Plateau.  That lake effect could swing down toward the Syracuse area Saturday night as it starts to weaken.

Thing swill quiet down some Sunday, before we see a shift in the wind to the south, and milder air will make inroads into the Northeast and CNY early next week.

Stay warm!

Dave

Published Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:32 AM by dlongley

Comments

 

sandy said:

Hey, wheres Kevin been? Working overtime at McDonalds?
February 28, 2008 12:23 PM
 

Mike said:

Ready for spring !!!! Mid Terms at school are definitely a drag and some nicer weather would be a good pick me up.  Any estimations when we can start expecting some more sun and patterns of 40 and or 50 degree days ?
February 28, 2008 12:50 PM
 

KBC said:

Mike, 40 - 50 degree days! I doubt until end of March/early April. Not a weatherman...but I do know this area. I am sure we will see some 40's and such this month...but I doubt we will have any steady flow of 50's until next month...if that! Does anyone remember the snow pellets we had in May..a few years back? I was cutting lawns and laughing! It was like the snow pellets we get in October. NY weather is amazing!
February 28, 2008 1:11 PM
 

SNOWLOVER said:

NO SPRING THIS YEAR...GONNA HAVE SNOW RIGHT TO JULY!!!
February 28, 2008 1:23 PM
 

Bonnie said:

Still counting down the days until I can open the pool again!!!
February 28, 2008 1:24 PM
 

JohnN said:

must golf soon........must golf soon.....
February 28, 2008 3:21 PM
 

dlongley said:

Update 6:35 PM- Well, the lake effect is consolidating as talked about.  Again, this shouldn't be a big problem through tonight, just a few fluffy inches, especially up along the lakeshore.

Did you catch the sundog this evening just before sunset?  This site will explain more on what causes them: http://www.atoptics.co.uk/halo/parhelia.htm

We're going to have to warm up the car again tomorrow morning.  As I glance at my thermometer, it's 10.9 here in Cicero.  Brrrrrrr.  Probably some more below zero readings to report on TMN tomorrow morning.

More active weather coming at us for the weekend as detailed above.  The 40s early next week will feel nice.  Some moisture in the air will be an added bonus.

-Dave
February 28, 2008 5:42 PM
 

Capt Dave said:

32 more days and the Marina opens for the season! I have had enough cold and snow for this winter. I see the light at the end of the tunnel. Looking forward to the 80 degree days again!
February 28, 2008 7:29 PM
 

Alan said:

I'm with you Dave! I can't wait for blue skies, green grass and 80 degree warmth!!!!
February 28, 2008 8:32 PM
 

NewSNomobiler said:

Come on guys... I like the fresh cut grass and the golf too, but the reality is that's still a ways away no matter what the weather does in the next few weeks. I say until then, let's make up for the lack of snow, then let it thaw at the end of March and bring on spring!
February 29, 2008 5:49 AM
 

Sandy said:

Dave, why can't you make it snow more.  I love to make huge fat snow angels!!!  
February 29, 2008 8:03 AM
 

Ryan said:

Dave L?  This is a long post and there are allot of questions in here so do the best you can.  :)  Do you think the southeast ridge that has been present mostly all winter long making it very dry and hot south of us (Fla, Nc, Va) will finally bust and create that same ridge over the northeast.  I listened to Dave E's forecast for spring, which seems to be our typical spring setup.  I know we still have a good month or so left of old man winter.  That’s my first question.  
My second question.  It’s obviously colder than normal right now.  The 10-14 day outlook has repeated itself over and over showing some warm days and some very cold days as we have been in over the past 30-40 days.  My question is more of "animal science" I guess.  We have talked about our pets (cats/dogs) many days ago on a previous post on how they were shedding their winter coat much sooner than they normally do this winter.  I think my dog has been in his Speedos now for a few weeks.  When he goes outside he just shakes the whole time.  Also, here are a few things I have also noticed that seem strange for this time of the year.  Birds and Spiders.  Everyone deals with pesky spiders from April to Aug. Finding them in the corners of their ceilings inside of the house and disposing of them.  Well, I have been finding them since the end of January.  The little brownish/green ones.  I have never had this problem before.  Finding spiders inside of my house during the winter is like consistently playing good golf.  It just doesn’t happen for me :(   Also, the birds.  I saw a flock of Robins this past weekend and when I say a flock, I mean a flock.  At least 50 of them were hanging out together.  I have never seen them this time of year.  Normally in Jan and Feb the outside is pretty quiet except for the sound of the whistling wind.  But over the past months I can hear and see groups of birds just chirping away.  Maybe its me but I swear that is not a sound you here until we get closer to spring time.  So after all of that babble, my question is does "animal science" ever play a role in predicting the upcoming weather or patterns.  Now I know your not going make a forecast based on bird chirping and hair clumps.  But does it raise some interest.  I guess we can only wait and find out.  I still find it amazing that my dog acts very strange and timid before a low-pressure event is days away or when thunderstorms are at least a good day out.  During this last winter storm, my dog kept whining all day Sunday into Monday.  Now I know they can sense pressure changes allot better than we can but I still find it amazing how smart they really are.  So even though we know spring is still awhile away, could it be possible that Spring is going to be on our door steps sooner than we think?
Thanks Dave.  As always, you and you colleagues always go above and beyond the call of duty and we all thank you!!!!!
February 29, 2008 8:42 AM
 

kevin said:

sandy you are a clown, get a life
February 29, 2008 10:23 AM
 

Bonnie said:

The night before last I had a ladybug crawling around, then last night I had a spider too on my floor.
February 29, 2008 11:11 AM
 

The Real Kevin said:

Sorry I wasn't checking the weather blogs, Sandy.  I must admit, your posts are original.  Hysterical.  Keep them coming.
February 29, 2008 12:57 PM
 

beckygool said:

Well no one mentioned ants.  We have had ants since January too!  What is this, Texas???  At least they don't bite here.....
February 29, 2008 2:34 PM
 

dlongley said:

Ryan - Whether that SE US ridge breaks or not is the big question.  We tend to look more at the NAO or AO, which you can do at http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/daily_ao_index/teleconnections.shtml  With no blocking in the central and northern Atlantic, the cold can't get locked in here for a long time.  I think we're in for some big swings in temp heading into March, but as our numbers from wet Februarys and La Nina springs would indicate, temperatures should run below normal.

As for animal forecasting.  While I don't discount the weather's impact on animals and their ability to adapt to weather changes, we don't normally put much of that into our forecasts.

Dave
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