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Lake Effect Snows Tuesday Night Into Wednesday

Posted 3:30 PM Tuesday - Lake effect snows are starting to flare up again, and should get stronger through the evening.  The air aloft is forecast to get progressively colder, and we should see some contribution of moisture from the upper Great Lakes.  Steering winds are west-southwest now and will become more westerly through the evening.  This will push the band of heavy lake effect snow southward toward the Oswego-Rome corridor.  There was some question among the computer models we use as to just how far south the snowband gets this evening.  I would think a Fulton-C.Square line would be about as far south as it gets.  Any move south will be brief.  Winds will become more southwesterly after midnight, pushing the band of heavy snow back to the north.  2 to 8 inches of snow are possible through central Oswego county.  We did put 1 to 2 feet in from this afternoon through 7 AM Wednesday east of the lake.  Those high end totals will be dictated by how much the band moves around  tonight.  If it sits in one place for awhile, a foot or more will be a cinch.

So what happens Wednesday?  Well, a very weak area of low pressure is forecast to pass by to the south of New York State through the mid-Atlantic states.  This thing has been forecast weaker and weaker with each new set of model data, and at this point it doesn't look like much more than flurries for us.  Teske and I discussed sun chances tomorrow, and it would seem we could get some sun in the morning.  We may even see some filtered sun through some mid and high clouds. 

Once the low goes by, winds will become northwest and the lake effect snow will move south.  At this point, it doesn't look like we'll be able to establish a connection to the upper Lakes.  Of course that could always change.  The flow looks to be what I call "flat"  In other words, we like to see nice curvature of the wind flow over the lakes.  Almost like a flattened "c"  lying a bit on its side.  Later tomorrow and tomorrow night, the flow is pretty straight out of Ontario Canada across the narrow axis of Lake Ontario.  Any contribution of moisture from the upper lakes would end up west of Syracuse.  Here's an interesting satellite image that shows some ice forming on Georgian Bay.  That will limit its ability to shoot moisture our way.

One thing is for sure.  It's going to be cold, with highs in the low 20s. 

Dave
Published Tuesday, February 19, 2008 3:26 PM by dlongley

Comments

 

Jim Teske said:

8:30 PM update...squalls are settling south through Oswego County.  I haven't seen any snow totals yet but it has to be snowing hard with all the yellow showing up on the radar. Like Dave mentioned above, the band shouldn't go much farther south and starting close to midnight it should start back north. We did bring down totals a bit for tonight (to 8-18") because of our concern that the band will be on the move.

If you looked at our map we do have a snow accumulation of 1-3 feet for the Tug Hill through mid afternoon Wednesday which means another 18" could fall tomorrow.  Our biggest concern is the cold air aloft, not only at 5,000 feet but also at 10,000 feet.  Also, while low pressure down at the ground passing to our south  Wednesday may be weak a disturbance aloft passing nearby will be strong.  Both these factors (cold air aloft and disturbance aloft) will enhance the updrafts so at times we would not be surprised if there is thunder and lightning with snowfall rates of 4 or 5" an hour.  It wouldn't take long at this rates to get a foot or foot and a half of new snow.

Just a heads up for the Syracuse area.  The squalls (in a weakened state) should move south through Syracuse close to sunset.  The snow from these squalls may only amount to an inch or two but it would come in a short period of time and it would be close to rush hour.  Multiple bands of lake effect Wednesday night will mean an additional accumulation.

Jim
February 19, 2008 7:42 PM
 

Shawn said:

Thank you for the update Jim and Dave.  Looks like SYR won't see the 8-18 inch range but a few inches won't hurt.

Dave E said tonight about a system Friday, but seemed to talk it down as just "light snow" compared to Monday night when he said it would be a general snow (good for skiers).  Just wondering if you saw any new data.

Keep up the great work
February 19, 2008 9:07 PM
 

Mike said:

I had the same question as Shawn--Here's the page I was reading about Friday:http://www.accuweather.com/news-story.asp?partner=accuweather&traveler=0&article=5
February 19, 2008 9:11 PM
 

Amanda said:

What do you expect Florence to get for new snow today through tomorrow morning.  We only got about 6 inches last night, I was a little disappointed when I got up this morning.  We have snow to ride on now, but I don't want it to disappear too soon.  Does it look like March is going to go in like a lion and come out like a lamb...
February 20, 2008 6:16 AM
 

kent said:

Dave, we are getting pounded with lake effect this morning, started last night as has not let up, currently 27" from last evening to start of shoveling, another 5" fell on the deck since....does not look like it is letting up.  Report from Orwell NY
February 20, 2008 6:46 AM
 

dlongley said:

Amanda, the heavy snow is not extending much farther inland than Oswego county, so at this point I don't think you'll see much more than 3 to 6 inches of new snow today in northwest Oneida county.

As for the Friday system, I'll write about that later this morning.  Still lots of question marks.

Dave
February 20, 2008 6:48 AM
 

Ryan said:

Good morning Dave.  At this point, where do you forsee the lake effect setting up over cny this evening and for how long?  I know we are going to get a quick inch or two when the band shifts into Syracuse around rush hour.  The it looks like for the remainder of tonight into tommorrow am before the band lifts north again.  Thanks So Much for your insight!!!!
February 20, 2008 7:15 AM
 

dlongley said:

Ryan,  When the lake snows shift south toward evening, it will break up into multiple bands of snow across the entire eastern Finger Lakes region, including Syracuse.  That should be the story right through tonight and into Thursday morning.  It won't be a big dumping of snow like they're seeing to the north, but several inches will be likely where the bands set up and where they're the most persistent.

Dave
February 20, 2008 7:40 AM
 

mark roberge said:

I went to bed at 10pm  tues night woke up at 5am and had about 10". I got up again at 6am and had another 10"-12". Its now 8:50 and still going strong with over 24" on the ground since last night. I've given up and called into work for the day. i think I'll just enjoy some coffee and watch the news. I live about 5-6 miles east of pulaski in the hamlet of centerville.
February 20, 2008 7:52 AM
 

Andrew said:

I am in the town of Pulaski, and the snow is pounding us right now.  Plows made one pass this morning, about 7:30, but that has been it so far.  I am near the medical center, and it is up to 2 1/2 feet.  Serious concerns of snow on roofs at this point.  
February 20, 2008 8:00 AM
 

fiske said:

I've  seen  in  a  few  different  sites  that  it  will  be  in  the  50's  for  the  beginning  of  March.
Does  anyone  know  anything  about  that.
February 20, 2008 8:18 AM
 

Snowlover said:

Well i see the north country got hammered again what a surprise. Just wish mother nature would drop a couple of feet of snow down my way( Hannibal area ). Hows this looking down this way for some lake effect tonight and tommorrow Dave/Jim we gonna get any snow so we can ride around here this weekend????. Managed to put a little over 100 miles on last weekend around this area and would like to this weekend. Seems like the extreme southern parts of oswego and the northern parts of cayuga have been robbed of all the snow this year.
February 20, 2008 8:55 AM
 

Kenny A said:

I realize that one of the contributing factors for lake effect snow is the tempurature difference between the lake water and the air.  Hasn't Lake Ontario cooled off enough to at least decrease the severity of the storms?
I heard it mentioned on The Weather Channel Tuesday morning that Lake Erie is icing over, is there any hope that Ontario will get more ice?
February 20, 2008 9:20 AM
 

dlongley said:

There is some ice on Lake Erie and as I showed the link above, some ice on the upper lakes.  The latest scan of Lake Ontario gives us a water temperature of 37-38 degrees as of Sunday.  Remember, Lake Ontario never freezes over completely, so as long as we can get temperatures cold enough aloft, we can have lake effect snow.  I remember back in the early 90s we had a big lake effect event in Oswego-Palermo area in mid March!  The coldest the lake will get is 32 or 33 degrees.  As long as we can get air that's around 8 or 9 degrees F 5,000 feet above the lake, we're in the lake snow business.  Just for comparison, the air 5,000 feet over the lake this morning is -4F.

Dave
February 20, 2008 9:34 AM
 

tom f said:

dave, could you tell me the comparison of snowfall for the 2001-2002 season and this winter. im curious to see how close they are.
February 20, 2008 11:51 AM
 

kent said:

Just came back in from plow repair and finally finished plowing, the amount of snow gives new meaning to the term "wading" through it, just took measurement and stands at 42" of new powder.  Orwell NY
February 20, 2008 12:53 PM
 

scott said:

Kent, how is the ice fishing up in orwell?
February 20, 2008 1:01 PM
 

Kenny A said:

Dave, thank you for that information.  It is just what I was afraid of, that no matter how cold the lake water gets, there will always be enough of a tempurature difference between the water and the air to get snow.
February 20, 2008 1:52 PM
 

rescue141x said:

"We think the squalls will sweep south through Oswego County early this afternoon, before the band continues to move southward toward the Syracuse area.  Right now it appears squalls will arrive in Syracuse after about 3 or 4 PM."

5pm now and the Squalls are still near Oswego....
February 20, 2008 3:54 PM
 

Jim Teske said:

9:30 PM update...yes the squalls were slower in moving south this afternoon. That spared us a messy PM commute.

Our delima this evening was how productive would the lake effect be. We took into account that the air is very dry.  Normally dry air isn't good for big snow but ask people in Pulaski today about that.  Next we looked at temperatures aloft and they are still very cold, in fact at 5,000 feet it's even colder than last night and today.  That's a plus.  On top of that we may get the upper lakes back into the equation.  Winds late this afternoon were starting to turn from the northwest to west-northwest. Those last two factors trumped the dry air in our minds.

Our forecast for tonight is for 2-12" Why the big range? We know that there can big differences in lake effect snow totals in short distances.  Take today.  There was 12-15" in Mexico but 40" about 10 miles away in Pulaski.  That's a 25" range.  While most of Central New York tonight will probably be in the 2-6" range, we felt,  because of the the reasons above,  the band could strengthen again and produce snowfall rates of 2" an hour overnight. Thus the upper end of 12"  Hope that explains things better.

Jim
February 20, 2008 8:35 PM
 

patb said:

I haven't been out of Oswego County in weeks because of the snow.  Imagine my surprise today when my daughter asked to take my car (with me) to take her daughter to her dad's in Syracuse...  What a welcome surprise to see no snow on the ground!  I'd almost forgotten what the rest of the world looked like!   Thanks for all you do!
February 20, 2008 8:50 PM
 

Shawn said:

Was watching Dave E at 6 tonight, and when I saw the 2-12'' for Syracuse, I was like "what the hel........"  But the more I thought about it, the more Jim is totally right.  Lake Effect is SO hard to forecast for these guys, and they just want to give you heads up that SOME places could be on the upper end of that total.

10:00pm here in Onondaga Hill, stars and moon!!!!!

Keep up the good work Jim
February 20, 2008 9:14 PM
 

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