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Thursday Afternoon Update

3 PM Thursday - Posted by Dave Longley - Sorry I haven't poasted in a couple days.  Needless to say the weather will get exciting again by the weekend. 

As for today, clouds are here, and snow is getting ready to cross the NY/PA line.  Hey, it's snowing in DC!  They had to shovel in Asheville, NC.  The bulk of this moisture appears headed just to our east, with just some light snow around most of CNY.  Could pick up an inch or two tonight.  The one exception that Jim Teske and I were noticing this morning is over Oneida and Herkimer counties where 4 to 6 inches of snow are possible.  The latest NAM runs have been consistent in showing that accumulation.  The RPM model ( a version of the WRF) did have 4 to 6 in those areas north and east of here.  Dave Eichorn will have the latest tonight at 5 and again at 11.

Any precipitation will be winding down tomorrow morning, with some breaks of sun possible in the afternoon.  We had been carrying highs near 40, but some of the new data in shows the boundary layer temps a bit cooler, so mid 30s seem a bit more reasonable.  While temperatures tomorrow afternoon will be cold enough for lake effect, the winds will be pretty southwesterly, so most of that will be well to our north.

Saturday will be our day of change.  The true arctic cold front is forecast to arrive during the day.  Along that front should be an area of low pressure, that will help to keep winds pretty southwestly through at least the first half of the day. 

Snow should increase Saturday afternoon as the arctic front starts to move through.  Once that thing goes through and the winds settle down we'll be able to sink our teeth into the lake effect. 

Here's some of my initial thoughts.  Once the wind shear settles down Saturday night, we should get a healthy band going east of Lake Ontario.  One thing that's complicating things for me right now is the NAM.  The system lifting up the east coast today is going to lay down a front across Florida.  A new storm is forecast to develop in the Gulf of Mexico later tomorrow and then move north along the coast.  This is all the surface reflection of the digging jet stream.   The NAM seems to be the most excited with this and if this solution is correct, winds may be a bit more northwesterly come Sunday morning, and this could bring the heavy lake snows briefly down into the SYR area.  For the sake of discussion and sanity, let's assume this happens.  One sidenote, this could bring more in the way of accumulating snow Saturday, so we need to keep an eye on this.

So, the storm zips on through later Saturday, band sets up off the lake and swings south close to SYR sunrise Sunday.  There could be thunder.  Looks like about a 6 hour period of heavy snow through northern Cayuga, southern Oswego, northern Onondaga and Madison counties Sunday morning.  Throw in the wind and cold---it could be kind of rough in those heavier lake snows the first part of Sunday. 

Sunday afternoon, the boundary layer winds will start to back, or become more westerly, and the lake snows will start to shift north.  The instability is forecast to diminish through the afternoon, but if we have a strong band, that won't matter.  There should be some heavy snow for areas north of Syracuse Sunday afternoon and night.  The good news (if you're not into crazy snow totals) is that the band does right now (84 hours from the event) look like it will be moving a bit and the air will be drying out Sunday night.  High pressure building in Monday will attempt to weaken the lake snows.

There are the initial thoughts.  We'll certainly be fine-tuning through the next few days, and trying to update as much as possible.  If the science above is a little overwhelming, your takeaway from this should be the potential is high for heavy lake effect snow southeast of Lake Ontario from later Saturday evening through Sunday night.  Given the strength of the cold push and the significant lake water to air temperature difference, when it does snow, it should snow hard in the localized bands of lake effect.  Again, outside of the lake snows, it'll be downright cold Sunday with highs in the teens.

-Dave
Published Thursday, January 17, 2008 2:58 PM by dlongley

Comments

 

Mike W. said:

Dear Dave,
              Do you have any idea if the Auburn area will get any serious snow this weekend.  We have to be getting due for a good ol' lake effect slamming right?  Maybe even the tug hill?  We snowmobiiler's need some snow before we go crazy,  the last ridable snow was back around hunting season so the trails were closed and the deer were not out.  This winter seems like a failure will there be a resurrection?
January 17, 2008 5:36 PM
 

Dave Longley said:

Mike, at this point, I just don't see any significant snow for Auburn out of this.  It's tough to get any heavy lake snows down your way.  Additionally, the winds won't be NW for a long time.  As for the Tug, they do have a shot at some decent snows.  That low that I mentioned above on the 12Z NAM was farther east on the 18Z run.  That keeps the winds a bit more westerly, which would mean a better chance of them seeing heavier snow.  We shall see.

-Dave
January 17, 2008 5:54 PM
 

Sandy A. said:

Dave, do you think we will get any more snow this winter??? Any good storms with a lot of snow or will we just drift right into spring.
January 17, 2008 6:12 PM
 

Tom2 said:

I hate to put a damper on the snow enthusiasts, but when will the temps rise again?
January 17, 2008 7:30 PM
 

NorthBayLight said:

Looks to be an interesting weekend shaping up, guys.
I'm sure you'll keep us posted. Keep up the good work.

Let it snowwwww!!!
January 17, 2008 7:44 PM
 

dlongley said:

Friday morning, 8:30 AM - Tom2, one thing I didn't get into in the lengthy discussion I had is the bigger picture.  The AO or arctic oscillation remains positive through the rest of the month.  If you like prolonged cold, this should be negative.  When the AO is negative, you have a block in the jet stream across the central Atlantic, which will help to keep the cold air bottled up in the Northeast US.  So when cold comes at us, it just slips off the SE Canadian coast.  

On the other side of the hemisphere we have the PNA index or Pacific-North America which looks at the degree of ridging in the jet stream over Alaska and western North America.  When the PNA is positive, you have ridging that can tap Siberian air and fill North America with cold.  The PNA is trending positive now, but only for a few more days, then it's forecast to become very negative by later this month.  So, we've tapped the cold, it's here (thanks to the PNA), but it won't stick around very long (thanks to the AO)  I'm not saying it's not going to get cold, but we should see some moderation in temps at times in between bouts of cold as we work on the cold airmass we have now.  I don't think we'll see 60s or 70s, but temperatures could get to near normal at times.

As I wrote in an earlier blog, I can see the cold, but not the widespread snow.  Our snow may have to come primarily from lake effect.  We'll see.

-Dave
January 18, 2008 7:44 AM
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