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Major Nor'Easter This Weekend?

Posted by Dave Longley, 9:30 AM, Tuesday 12/11/2007 - Okay, let's get it on.  All of our medium range models have come together in indicating a major snowstorm for the Northeast and central New York for this weekend.  Is it going to happen?  Who knows at this early point, it is only Tuesday, but this one's going to be fun to watch.  It's especially better because it's a weekend, when many of us can stay safe and sound at home and watch it snow.  I'll keep this thread going into the weekend, and continue individual posts for individual days.  Let's have some fun with this.

Okay, here's the setup.  Yesterday, the ECMWF (computer model run by the European weather agency) was the only model to really latch onto an east coast storm.  Actually it started indicating this over the weekend.  The other models (GFS, UKMET) were flatter with the storm.  In other words, it never turned the corner with the low once it formed in the southeast US, and it moved it harmlessly off to our southeast, into the western Atlantic. 

Monday's midday (18Z) run of the GFS indicated maybe the ECMWF was right after all.  Each successive run of the GFS has been spot on, indicating a very strong area of low pressure near NYC Sunday. (actually central MA at 7 PM Sunday) The ECMWF has stayed in its camp, indicating a strong low near Cape Cod at 7 PM Sunday.  The computer models run by the Canadians have the low over Connecticut.  Needless to say, there's lots of support for a deep low in the Northeast come Sunday.  At this point, we need to be in the mindset that this is going to happen.

So, when does it start?  Saturday would be cold (20s for highs) with some lake effect snow.  Widespread snow from the storm would move in Saturday night and continue through Sunday.  The wind will pick up Saturday night/Sunday and as colder air gets sucked in, lake effect snow will start to kick in during the day Sunday and Sunday night.  Right now (Tuesday morning) Sunday looks to be the worse day.

How much?  Taking the model output verbatim, the potential exists for more than 2 feet of snow .  THIS IS NOT A FORECAST, BUT THIS SHOULD GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE POTENTIAL OF THIS STORM.  We won't get into specifics until we get much closer to the storm (remember, it's still possible that this thing may 1) may miss us and 2) not even form.  )

Anyway, the new data is coming in.  We'll see what happens.  I'm sure I'll be checking back in this afternoon.

Questions or comments, please feel free to leave them.  I will not get into the business of forecasting individual snowfall amounts for specific locations.  We'll give you the big picture, and you can go from there.

Also, don't forget we have a chance for a few inches of snow Thursday from a whole separate storm. 

Published Tuesday, December 11, 2007 8:47 AM by dlongley

Comments

 

Chris said:

Thank you for this potential "heads up" on a possible big storm. I will be watching your posts very closely this week. My wife works Saturday's and there are Christmas parties going on, so this could put a little damper on the festivities.
December 11, 2007 1:09 PM
 

ShayLo76 said:

Dave, thanks for the lowdown (potential). I will be eagerly watching this develop! Great to have it on a weekend (I know the kids won't be happy to hear that though!). How many days in advance do forecasted outcomes become more certain? Looking forward to your posts!!!
December 11, 2007 1:11 PM
 

Judy Mckeen said:

Hi Dave, i am a little concerned with the potiental of this storm. My husband, sons, and 2 grandsons are traveling to Dover to hunt snow geese this weekend, they are due to come home on Sunday....let me ask, would you pack extra clothes in case of being snowed in? Thanks for your help.
December 11, 2007 1:22 PM
 

Tom said:

AWESOME. Hunting season is just about over which means it's snowmobile season! Right on cue.
December 11, 2007 1:26 PM
 

White Wings said:

We do live in CNY afterall, sooooo there is no escaping the snow. I'd like to take this opportunity to give thanks to channel 9's wonderful team, especially the weather folks. You all are super, high 5's guys, you do deserve it :) Your predictions and keeping us all up to date are surpassed by no other channel. Thanks again!!
December 11, 2007 1:49 PM
 

MeaganQuirk said:

This is great!  I love the snow and my husband and I are lucky that we're both professors and the semester's over, so we're on vacation!  Let it snow, let it snow, let it snow.  Just one question - if this storm does develop, would there be enough cold air behind it as it pulls away for some lake effect?  We live in Fulton so a double-whammy would be saaaweeeeet!
December 11, 2007 2:00 PM
 

santas helper said:

This is great news...Santa needs as much snow as he can get.  It is much harder to deliver all the toys and presents to all the good girls and boys without snow!!!  Bring on the snow.  Plus being Santas helper I have a few toys of my own I'd like to get out and ride...and I need snow for that as well, lol !!!!
December 11, 2007 2:01 PM
 

Sal said:

Wow...that Beautiful spring, summer, and fall is just a distant memory now, isn't it?  But take heart....spring is just a few months away.
Other weather outlets are saying the early call will place the worst of the storm just to our east and south.  Do you agree with that, Dave?
December 11, 2007 2:02 PM
 

Kippy said:

Hi Dave, I'm trying my best not to get to excited, sometimes I get so disappointed when it's forecasted that we'll get a lot and then we get so little. I love storms and the more snow we get the happier I'll be, and I can test out my new 4 wheel drive. I'm an avid watcher of Channel 9 News and I think all of you on your Storm Team do a great job.  What do you think the likelihood will be that we have a white Christmas?
December 11, 2007 2:03 PM
 

Warming Trend said:

Lets hope that the tropical depression gives this storm no energy for intensifying purposes.  Lets also hope that it stays east of the I-95 corridor.  This will keep accumulations down for Syracuse.
December 11, 2007 2:16 PM
 

Steve D. said:

Let it snow Dave! I've been itching to have a great snowmobiling season, good snow cover everywhere makes that all possible. I hope you are spot on as usual!
December 11, 2007 2:36 PM
 

carsmommy123 said:

Bring it on!!  Love a great snowstorm on the weekend.  Really helps bring the Christmas spirit alive.  Keep up the good work Newschannel 9.
December 11, 2007 2:52 PM
 

Dave Longley said:

Mid afternoon update....4 PM Tuesday...I just looked at the new models.  There is a bit of an eastern shift, but if there's anything I've learned in the years of doing this, you will drive yourself absolutely crazy chasing the computer models.  The important thing to keep in mind is that ALL the models are showing something in the Northeast later Saturday and Sunday.

Warming Trend brought up an interesting point...Olga.  That's a subtropical storm that inundated Puerto Rico and who's energy will be hanging out in the Caribbean/Gulf.  It'll be interesting to see if any of this gets entrained, or drawn into the developing storm.

I think it best to let another run of models play out and we'll see what the trend is.  One other note too....this storm could be the signal of a larger pattern change getting ready to take place.  While we may be cold directly behind the storm, we will likely exhaust all the arctic air in place in Canada, and then where are we?  Perhaps warming to near or even above normal in a week's time or so.  For the snowlovers, if this storm does pan out, enjoy it.  We've been unseasonably cold for the end of November and first 1/3 of December, but that could change come Christmas-time.

Anyway, keep checking back.  I'll definitely have more tomorrow morning, but may check in one more time before bed.  Maybe Teske will chime in.
December 11, 2007 3:00 PM
 

Shawn said:

Jim Teske, what are your thoughts on this possible Nor' Easter?  Any thoughts?

Also, any specifics on the amount of snow for Thursday?
December 11, 2007 3:40 PM
 

Jen said:

Hi Dave,

Thanks so much for the heads up!  I am going to Boston on Thursday and will be returning to Syracuse on Saturday...Will I hit the bad weather there coming home on Saturday?  Thanks!
December 11, 2007 4:41 PM
 

Joe said:

All I can say is you knew we were going to pay for a summer-like October one way or another. I'd be curious to know just how warm we might get by Christmas...I have a feeling for Oswego that may be a "danger" sign come January. We all know what happened last year...I guess we'll see folks... :-)
December 11, 2007 4:57 PM
 

Mary Lou LaGoe said:

Hi Dave, glad this is happening this week and not next. leaving for fla on the 19th. can you give me the outlook for the 18th thru the 20th. we are driving and need a heads up.
thanks, Mary Lou
December 11, 2007 5:00 PM
 

Molly said:

Well, I'm up for it....My kids are up for it!  We are a sledding and skiing family....Having enough packed powder for Christmas Vacation would be awesome!  I hope this pans out.  Being snowed in during the holiday season with the fireplace on, a good book, and watching a storm blow in sounds awesome!
December 11, 2007 5:15 PM
 

Christina said:

There is a downside to a snow storm on a weekend and that is the snow plowing.  They sure don't plow very well on weekends- especially on Sundays, but some of us still need to use the roads!  Ah well, the kids would be happy about it anyway.
December 11, 2007 5:22 PM
 

tgb on wsyr said:

I can't wait to watch this storm grow! I LOVE Nor'easter storms. I am keeping watch through your website. This is going to get bumpy!
December 11, 2007 6:15 PM
 

ssjdcc said:

let it snow, let it snow, let it snow... it is that time again isnt it????? and xmas isnt far behind.. need that snow for xmas.... what is xmas without snow!!!!! thanks dave... looking forward to the snow, if we see it...
:)
December 11, 2007 6:19 PM
 

ace13126 said:

Thanks for the heads up Dave...I live in Oswego and was wondering if and when you get more info on it can you post how much each area will get? thanks and have a great night...
December 11, 2007 6:20 PM
 

ace13126 said:

ssjdcc no no no...me and u dont like the snow...but yes indeed we need it for x-mas but then it can go away lol...maybe i will come play with the kids in the snow...
December 11, 2007 6:23 PM
 

ssjdcc said:

for joe, yea i love in oswego, have all my life. we all no oswego and how it works... i want the snow. cant wait.....
December 11, 2007 6:30 PM
 

ace13126 said:

Joe...i hope u r not right Oswego better not be in danger zone again lol...man my husband and i had a heck of a time digging out last winter...maybe ssjdcc will come dig us out this year seens she wants it so bad...just picking ssjdcc...
December 11, 2007 6:43 PM
 

yente56 said:

I am a nurse who has to work this weekend.  I'm NOT looking forward to trying to get to work in this stuff...hope it's not too bad.
December 11, 2007 8:29 PM
 

Jim Teske said:

Shawn,

Sorry for not getting to your question sooner but my wife had control of the computer.;)

When you start to get excited about the computer models cranking up a big storm along the East Coast it's always a good time to take a step back and take a deep breath.  We like to ask 'why won't a big storm happen?" Probably the biggest thing that  made us scratch our heads a bit this afternoon in the office is that we aren't in a blocking pattern that will help a storm move due north up the coast.  This might make any storm along the coast this weekend a fast mover.  Take the Tuesday mid afternoon GFS model (the 18z run). Just after midnight Saturday a low is forecasted to be just off the Delaware Coast and 12 hours later it's about a hundred miles east of Cape Coast.  Certainly a snow maker for us Saturday night and Sunday but not a Blizzard of '66 or '93 type storm.  The devil is in the details and those details won't reveal themselves until a day or so before the storm.

Thursday's system is not in the same league as the weekend storm.  First guess on this one is 2-6" with the higher totals the farther south of Syracuse you go.


Jim
December 11, 2007 8:36 PM
 

Sarah said:

Aaaaaah! No, I hope not! My boyfriend is coming home for Basic Training Saturday. I hope he can get home
December 11, 2007 8:41 PM
 

Shawn said:

Thanks Jim for the update.  I'm driving myself crazy looking at all the information reguarding this possible nor' easter.  Owning your own snowplowing business, this is all I do is read and read on the weather.  I wouldn't mind this storm happening at all!

Hopefully you'll keep us updated with any new details coming into the weather office.  I know I def. appreacate all the updates on the blog!

Check back later with you!
December 11, 2007 9:10 PM
 

john said:

so with the possibillity ofr the warm weather around christmas does that mean we are not going to be white agina this year
December 11, 2007 10:06 PM
 

Shawn said:

Well, just got done watching Dave E at 11.  He didnt say much about the storm, just that snow is a good bet for Sunday into Sunday night.  Didn't really say much about a "Nor Easter".  

Hoping Teske or Dave Longley will update us with some new computer model info.
December 11, 2007 10:20 PM
 

Shawn said:

More research, found a few weather sites that have us getting more than a foot of snow from this..........Dave Longley--Whats the good news????? (Hopefully SNOW!)
December 11, 2007 11:51 PM
 

UpstateDave said:

Looking at news stations this morning they won't commit to an amount but they did say it will be a pretty big snow. Also a heavy snow.
December 12, 2007 4:39 AM
 

kathy said:

Hey ...if it happens it happens....the weather God will prevail...after all...it is DECEMEBER....and we do live in Upstate NY....besides...what is w/all the hype about 2-6" of snow...and why do you posted "Winter Weather Warnings" for that little snow....go back 30-40 years ago and it was nothing to get a foot of snow over nite and noone thought anything of it....the weather patterns have DEFINETLY changed...and we don't have as nearly as bad winters as in the past....so stop complaining about "all the snow"....Great job Dave and Jim....you guys are the most accurate in the area...and I don't live near Syracuse...Keep up the good work....remember everyone.....at least it's not ICE!!
December 12, 2007 4:48 AM
 

ShayLo76 said:

Hmmmm... I'm not sure if I "want" to give up a white Christmas for a bang up storm this weekend (as if I have a choice about it hehe). But ah well, it's great for the spirit!! I grew up in Central Square,... nice lake affect there. Though definately not like Oswego. You guys are troopers!! But I love it all! Nothing like a beautiful clean snow fall in December!
December 12, 2007 5:09 AM
 

Jim Teske said:

Kathy,

The only weather advisories for Thursday's system (winter Storm Watches) are up for areas from Binghamton south into PA.  They are expecting up to 8" down there.  Nothing posted for Central New York as of Wednesday morning.

Jim
December 12, 2007 5:51 AM
 

judyashe said:

I'm with "tgb on wsyr".  I love a good N'easter and we haven't had a great one in quite a while.  Dave, the anticipation and planning are half the fun.  This site is great.  Keep it going!!
December 12, 2007 5:54 AM
 

Mike D. said:

Thanks for these "blogs" informing us of potential storms and weather predictions.  I always turn to 9 WSYR weather for the best snow totals and ideas into future weather patterns.  Any snow is welcomed in CNY for me and the more Syracuse recieves the better chance we have of beating Rochester in snowfall.  Thanks again weather team and keep us posted on this future storm.
December 12, 2007 8:16 AM
 

LetItSnow said:

Looks more and more like were going to get hit..... Yipieeeeeeeeeeeee
December 12, 2007 8:36 AM
 

happy mom said:

my son has been in iraq. he is coming home saturday and cant wait to see him. its been a long year. and all he is hoping for is SNOW he hasnt seen snow in 2 years he cant wait. so lets hope we get some for a young man serving our country.
December 12, 2007 9:29 AM
 

Myke said:

I enjoy reading your blog Dave; I feel better informed.  For bowlers though, its second nature to have snow during the season.  I'm not looking forward to the snow, but at least this year I have a plow.  
December 12, 2007 9:40 AM
 

Linda Fischer said:

I hope we get it. Lots of it. Thanks for the updates and the ray of hope!
December 12, 2007 9:47 AM
 

dlongley said:

Just a quick update.  Sorry for the delay, I've been getting other things wrapped up before the weather turns more active.

Jim Teske alluded to this above, in that there is no real blocking present in advance of the storm to cause it to take a turn north along the coast.  What it's looking more and more likely (at least given today's models) is a very moisture laden storm lifting up from the Mississippi Valley into the Ohio Valley.  We'd get the initial shot of snow when the Gulf of Mexico moisture gets in here, but with the storm quickly scooting off to the east, there wouldn't be much (if any) Atlantic moisture wraparound for us.  Consequently, the precipitation amounts are less, but still enough so that some areas could see a foot of snow or more.  Again, keep in mind it's early in the game.

For those of you trying to make some shopping and holiday plans for the weekend...this looks to be a Saturday night/Sunday morning event.  Behind the storm there will be cold, wind and lake effect snow Sunday afternoon and into Monday.  Saturday itself will be the better of the 2 weekend days.
December 12, 2007 9:55 AM
 

Pat Regal said:

I live in West Monroe and whre I am it is a mile from the Parish border.  So I have to live by your weather forecasts in the winter. You guys are the best. So if the weather comes in the way of lake effect snow for Sunday and Monday, I better get my husband ready to plow often!
December 12, 2007 11:38 AM
 

Bob said:

You weather guys crack me up. You act like a storm on the weekend affects no one. Not true, many college students will be traveling home for the Christmas Holiday this weekend and your description of this potential is pretty scary. Until you have more facts to support your position, I would appreciate greater caution given the forecast with so little known yet. And by the way, it's not going to be fun to watch - this is one of the reasons people move away from CNY.
December 12, 2007 11:59 AM
 

northbaylight said:

These blogs are great!
Living on the southern end of 'snow country' we certainly appreciate getting a heads up -- even if it amounts to nothing. Better to expect than be surprised.
Keep up the great work and keep us posted!!!
December 12, 2007 12:18 PM
 

tom f said:

ther is no storm coming saturday or sunday; please buy some new tea leaves; probably work better; also more people will live because of no major storm; these weather conditions lead to many vehicular deaths than any other season; more senior citizens die in these weather conditions; and all you can do is smile and promote ski season at the pain of good human beings; my prediction for snow this week in onondaga county is a trace  to nothing on thursday and friday ; sunday no snow and monday rain.
December 12, 2007 12:23 PM
 

kippy said:

I actually moved from NYC to Syracuse 17 years ago because I love the snow!! I'm not moving from CNY anytime soon, I love it up here. And I agree with northbaylight, better to expect than be surprised. So Thank You Storm Team for keeping us posted. And to all the travelers, just take your time and drive safe.
December 12, 2007 12:35 PM
 

CM said:

hey tomf.......lighten up a little.....life is not so bad......
December 12, 2007 1:08 PM
 

chuck said:

hey bob.....the snow we get is why many of us who live here love central new york.....you need to get  a winter hobby or maybe move.....lighten up....at least we don't have tornadoes, hurricanes, forest fires....it could be worse!
December 12, 2007 1:15 PM
 

tjw said:

I wouldn't think of moving away from this weather.  People who have issues with this weather are afraid of it....you have to embrace it !!  Learn how to drive in it...dress warm...get out and enjoy it !!!  I say bring on the snow early and often.  
December 12, 2007 1:25 PM
 

cristobal711 said:

Hey Bob read the initial post by Dave it reads:

THIS IS NOT A FORECAST, BUT THIS SHOULD GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE POTENTIAL OF THIS STORM.

December 12, 2007 1:37 PM
 

NS said:

Dave or Jim,  It's difficult to determine when the snow is suppose to start on Saturday.  We have a retirement party with people coming from Canada and I'm wondering if it should be postponed?  Do you have any thoughts that could help?  Thanks.
December 12, 2007 1:40 PM
 

critter said:

Sorry so grumpy, tom f.  The beautyof forecasts is so I can actually be prepared to help the elderly, like my mom, through this stuff.  I make sure she (and my elderly neighbors) have what they need so they don't have to go out on the roads.  Then I can enjoy some cross country skiiing!  You also need to remember that ski season is the livelihood of many who live in this region.  A good snowstorm should make them smile...
December 12, 2007 1:48 PM
 

ShayLo76 said:

Bob and Tom F, if you can't take the cold.... you have a choice regarding where you live. Those of us who love all of the seasons in CNY know how to prepare for them and enjoy wondering what comes next. Preparation and taking care is key. Then it might not get to people so much.
December 12, 2007 1:58 PM
 

Bob said:

To Chuck and ShayLo76,

Yes, it could be worse, but it can also be better. I am counting the days until I move away from here. Enjoy the snow and the misery associated with it!
December 12, 2007 2:13 PM
 

ssjdcc said:

thanks for the update jim t.... much help. oswego has seen plenty snow falls... we all know what is in store for oswego. go by that! good day all :) :) :)
December 12, 2007 2:23 PM
 

Dave Longley said:

Update at 3:30 Wednesday - Arrival time for Saturday's snow looks to be close to sunset.  It's going to be much colder Saturday, but overall a day to be out and about.  Temps in the mid 30s Friday will give way to low 20s Saturday.

Still looks like the heaviest part of this snowstorm will be Saturday night.  Sunday morning we will go through the transition to more localized lake effect snow.

Heads up too on temps.  This thing will yank down some chilly air.  I alluded to this above.  It's very possible we could see temperatures near 0 for nighttime lows either Monday or Tuesday morning.  Latest models plop a big high over us in this time frame, and with the fresh snow we should be able to radiate (cool) real efficiently.
December 12, 2007 2:38 PM
 

Kippy said:

Bob, I'm curious. Where do you think the perfect place to live is? The South has hurricanes, the Midwest gets ICE STORMS, what 22 people recently died? Don't forget the tornado's. The West Coast gets firestorms and mudslides. Oh and lets not forget about the recent flood disaster in the State of Washington. Good luck finding that perfect weather. I think we are all pretty lucky to have the kind of weather, and the change of seasons, we have right here in Central New York. I know I count my blessings.
December 12, 2007 2:48 PM
 

northbaylight said:

Kudos, Kippy.
AS much as we HATE shoveling all of the snow...its a part of life I'll deal with. You learn to expect it; purchase snow shovels, brushes and make sure the gas tanks and heating oil tanks are topped off. With a snow storm, you stay inside where its warm. If the roof needs shoveling you can get out there and do it.
Where else can you live and still be able to at least prevent loss of life and homes? Certainly not in a hurricane, tornado, fire, mudslides, etc.

Hey Storm Team Meteorologists....what are the computer models saying for snow fall totals for the potential weekend storm? Anything yet? Just curious!
As always,keep up the great work!!
December 12, 2007 4:25 PM
 

chuck said:

to bob....sorry if i came off as harsh.....if i disliked winter as much as you appear to then i would definitely not live here.....it would be miserable.....again, i love central new york and the seasons......anything you can do elsewhere, you can do here...it's just for limited amounts of time...the beach, boating, hiking, winter sports....its all here......i am always looking forward to the next season....it keeps life interesting .....plus we had one of the nicest summers ever here.....from may to october it hardly rained....great place to live!!  bring on the snow!!
December 12, 2007 4:31 PM
 

Kathy said:

Sorry...Jim...wasn't critizing about the "weather warnings"....just curious why they post one everytime there is a mention of anything more that 2-3" of snow....heck...I live in the North Country...and it snows and blows like crazy here....and like I said before...we live in Upstate NY...it's winter and it snows~~
December 12, 2007 5:18 PM
 

Warming Trend said:

December 12, 2007 6:39 PM
 

Warming Trend said:

December 12, 2007 6:41 PM
 

Warming Trend said:

Last but not least the current GFS map.   Like the News Channel 9 Storm team said....This badboy storm really zips out of here.  This GFS does not look impressive as to the length of time over CNY.  Only time will tell as newer maps come out.  

http://www.wunderground.com/modelmaps/maps.asp
December 12, 2007 6:51 PM
 

Warming Trend said:

If you access the model maps.  Just change the Model from NAM to GFS.  Make sure you remove the previous map and click animate.  Good Luck
December 12, 2007 6:55 PM
 

WooHoo said:

Bring it on!!  I love it!
December 12, 2007 8:03 PM
 

Jim Teske said:

'Potential' Monkey Wrench?

Late Wednesday evening I was very interested in seeing what one of our shorter term computer models (the NAM) would say about the weekend storm.  It only looks out 3 1/2 days so it is just now on the cusp of Saturday night/Sunday's snow.  Here's what it looks like for Sunday morning:

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod/analysis/namer/nam/00/images/nam_slp_084m.gif

That solution would certainly throw cold water (a lot of it) on the idea of a weekend storm in the Northeast.  It barely gets snow as far north as NYC. It is still a lone wolf (so to speak) among the other computer models and there will be more new data to look at overnight Wednesday.  I'm sure Dave Longley will have more on this Thursday morning.

Jim
December 12, 2007 9:44 PM
 

Shawn said:

Okay Dave L, whats the latest on this Nor' Easter?  Jim Teske last night as you see, found a model that hardly had snow in NY.  Sounds like today will be a good event though.  You guys do an amazing job, keep up the great work!
December 13, 2007 3:14 AM
 

Dave Longley said:

That Jim Teske....he always tries to ruin my fun!  Seriously, the 00Z and 06Z NAM does not indicate a storm for us.  I don't believe it.  While I have to think that's an option, it is the ONLY model not to have a major storm near NYC on Sunday.  Mark Chapin and I have found the nugget.  It has to do with the phasing, or coming together, of jet stream energy over the SW US later today and Friday.  ALL of the other models, the European models, the Canadian, the GFS, phase this energy and ultimately wind up the storm.  

The NAM continues to keep that energy separate.  Who's right?  Hard to say exactly for sure, but the overwhelming majority is tough to go against right now.  Also, the NAM is a more localized computer model with a smaller initialization field, so this energy is just coming into view of the NAM.  The other models are global models and have been tracking this energy for days.  

I think we'll have a better indication Friday, once the NAM has a chance to follow all of this for awhile.

I'm still going for a big snow for us Saturday night and into Sunday.  Much more this afternoon once we get a chance to digest the new information that comes in just before lunchtime.
December 13, 2007 5:09 AM
 

Shawn said:

You're the man Dave!!!!  Keep up the great work.  Look forward to your update around lunchtime!
December 13, 2007 5:27 AM
 

Warming Trend said:

Just saw the 6z Nam run.  WOW...As Jim/Dave/Mark said...only time will tell on this Nam model.  It currently looks like this storm is going to go straight out to sea.  It doesn’t look like any coastal storm at this point.  Like the Professionals said, this model will change as the hours of today come along.  Lets keep our fingers crossed that the storm misses NY.  It looks like today will be a quick 6 inches.  That should hold off all the snow lovers for a few weeks or so.  Not to mention, the temps over the next week look bone chilling.  
December 13, 2007 7:35 AM
 

ShayLo76 said:

And so we wait to see how it unfolds.. right now i'm stalking the doppler to see when today's snow arrives. :-) I will be disappointed if this storm misses us entirely. I understand that not everyone likes snow... and I suppose if the weather were actually in our control it might help to wish it away. :-) But since it's not, I like to make the most of it! :-) Especially since Christmas is right around the corner!! Pleease no warm up!!!!!
December 13, 2007 8:17 AM
 

Dave Longley said:

Bingo....we have a winner!!  The 12Z NAM guidance has joined the show.  It shows a snowstorm near NYC by 7 AM Sunday.  I knew this would come around to the forecasts indicated by the other models.  While you're watching our storm today, keep an eye on the SW US today and tomorrow as this all comes together.
December 13, 2007 9:47 AM
 

alair said:

Ah ha! As we suspected. Too much "old style" experience also supporting the genesis of this storm. And 5 days out, no less.
December 13, 2007 10:10 AM
 

Jim Teske said:

Looks like the monkey wrench was returned to Mr. Goodwrench.  The new NAM looks more impressive with each new run.  It may not be printing out as much precipitation as some of the other models but the trend is what may be more important. It went from no snow Saturday night and Sunday on last nights run to a moderate snowfall for Syracuse Saturday night & Sunday based on the midday Thursday run.

A quick look at the new 12z GFS is also looking more impressive. It's track is a bit farther west then what was indicated a few days ago and that points more toward heavy snow in CNY Saturday night and Sunday.


Jim

ps.  Glad everyone is enjoying the blogging.  If nothing else you get to see how in flux the whole forecasting process can be.
December 13, 2007 10:58 AM
 

joe16 said:

The National Weather Service is predicting close to two feet with this storm.  Does this amount seem too high, or are the contitions favorable of producing that much snow for Central New York?
December 13, 2007 2:35 PM
 

Shawn said:

Warming Trend.........Why keep our fingers crossed this misses us? Maybe some of us LOVE the snow, including the actual Meteorologists .  When I read your posts, I wonder if you are trying to be one?????
December 13, 2007 2:36 PM
 

Upstatesnow said:

I agree Shawn, this is great today is like the practice storm for this weekend.  
December 13, 2007 2:58 PM
 

Dave Longley said:

joe16, I haven't seen that 2 feet wording...yet.  But I'm not surprised.  Given the energy and the moisture available, 2 feet SOMEWHERE in the Northeast is not a stretch.  

Ironically, the 18Z NAM (hot off the press) goes berserk for us.(As opposed to the "no storm" 12 hours ago)  Get this...a 24 hour forecast of liquid precipitation from 1 AM Sunday - 1 AM Monday is 2.50"!!  We should be in arctic air for the event, so conservatively we can say that 15" of snow would melt down to 1" of water.  So, 2.5" liquid is 37.5 inches of snow.  Again, this is a forecast from the computer model, not our forecast yet.  But, as I mentioned back on Tuesday, these type of precipitation amounts indicate the type of storm that could nail us.

One other thing we're starting to watch is the trend for the Ohio Valley system to remain stronger, longer.  This would be wetter for us and could bring in some warmer air aloft, introducing the possibility of sleet.  There's going to be a lot of back and forth the next 2 days on the eventual track of this storm, and we really won't be able to get super specific on accumulations until probably Saturday.

Boy, am I lucky or what to be filling in for Mark Chapin this weekend on TMN Weekend?!?!?
December 13, 2007 3:59 PM
 

Sal said:

Others are comparing this upcoming storm to that of last year's Valentines day storm.  I believe that one was good for close to 2 feet of snow in many parts of NYS. My snow blower is all gased up and ready to go.
You guys at Channel 9 do an outstanding job.  Living in Lyons, I have the honor of getting both Rochester and Syracuse tv stations via Time Warner Cable and I always favor channel 9 in the weather dept. for accuracy.  keep up the good work!  I'll be checking back often for updates on this developing storm situation.
December 13, 2007 5:53 PM
 

danbygirl70 said:

This blog is so great!  To those of you that are so negative about the snow, keep it to yourself.  The blizzard of '93 was the most fun ever for me!!!  I'll take that again anyday!  You weather guys at News channel 9 are the only reason why I keep watching! :)
December 13, 2007 6:17 PM
 

Shawn said:

Dave L, glad you are going to be around this weekend on TMN.  You have got to be loving this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2.50 inches of precip?  OMG, that is A LOT of snow, can't wait to get more details from you.

Some "other" weather stations are just putting Accu Weather Maps on TV, saying 6-12 inches.  I don't trust them as far as I can throw.  

Keep up the great work Dave, Jim, Dave, and Mark!

PS...Glad you agree Upstatesnow!  
December 13, 2007 6:47 PM
 

Shawn said:

I forgot to add.....Ohhhhh Mr. Teske--What's the latest?  Glad to see you tonight!

Doesn't Dave. E love the snow?
December 13, 2007 6:50 PM
 

PatB said:

Oh for the good ole days when we would get "only" 2 ft of snow...I'm remembering the 10 ft last Feb in our little 4 day event!  But then, if the lake effect machine fires up can we expect a replay?  Snow lovers, come on up, I have extra shovels!
December 13, 2007 7:03 PM
 

MarkS said:

Just wanted to say your the best weather team in CNY! If I'm reading the weather maps correct it looks like the worst of this storm will probably hit us during the midday into early evening Sunday before it begins to pull away late Sunday night/early Monday morning. Good day to sit back, watch the snow fall, and enjoy!

Just hope the system doesn't stall for some reason!
December 13, 2007 8:56 PM
 

dlongley said:

Some of the new data is trickling in this evening....The new NAM takes the coastal low over NYC then up to Portland Maine by Sunday night at midnight. It's not printing out as much precipitation as the only run that Dave Longley mentioned but still a decent amount of snow would come from this solution. Still quiet a turn around from what I saw from this same model 24 hours ago.

Some other observations:  It seems that this storm may evolve a bit slower than what the models showed earlier.  You certainly would have no problems getting around during the daylight Saturday but it wouldn't suprise if things stay quiet into the evening so I wouldn't go cancelling Saturday evening plans just yet.

Also, we have to keep an eye on any sleet.  With the models forecasting the low to take a track a bit farther to the west that may allow enough warm air to get in aloft and cause some sleet around daybreak Sunday.  That would be somewhere near or sout of Syracuse.  Once the coastal low cranks up, though, we would cool the lower atmosphere and it's snow the rest of the way.

I'm in for Mark C. this weekend too

Jim



December 13, 2007 9:16 PM
 

Shawn said:

Hey Jim.  Great work on this busy Thursday.  Any guesses on snowfall from this storm?  Like I said eailer, there are "other" weather stations that seem to "cut and paste" maps off of Accu Weather and put them on their Forecasts.  Anyway, as little as 6 to as much as 12 seems a bit low for this event doesn't it?  Especially since Dave Longley said a little while ago, 2.5 inches of liquid!  Even if that was 2 inches, or even 1.5, that is a LOT of snow!

Glad you and Dave L are in this weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  You guys ROX!

December 13, 2007 9:33 PM
 

Christina said:

Bring on the snow!!! :)  My BF and I got snowmobiles last year....and we're hoping to get LOTS of use out of them this season!  Trails open on Tuesday, and we can't wait!!! :)
December 13, 2007 10:48 PM
 

Warming Trend said:

Hey Shawn.  "other" weather stations.  I am the one that posted some of the earlier maps.  I did this because certian individuals such as your self kept asking what totals we might get here in Syracuse.  We track the weather here at my company because it is better to be prepared.  We use Accuweather & News Channel 9 for our forcasting operations.  And as far as the other weather stations, they all use the same models to determine snow amounts.  So relax.
Maybe you can take Teske or Longley out for breakfast when this is all done!!!
December 14, 2007 4:02 AM
 

Kathy said:

WOW!!   That's alot of snow....can't wait...have horses and do sleigh rides...can't wait to go "Dashing thru the snow!"...keep us posted!!
December 14, 2007 4:48 AM
 

Rocky1 said:

I see where the NOAA has issued a Winter Storm Watch for our area.  No mention of winds.  Are we still looking at a potential Blizzard for Sunday?  If so, when would NOAA switch to a Blizzard Forecast.
December 14, 2007 4:54 AM
 

ShayLo76 said:

The clock is ticking! Yesterday's snow was fun! Now that it's out of the way, come on Nor'Easter!!!! I'm looking forward to the new model runs this morning. Dave, Jim, what do you have for us??
December 14, 2007 5:56 AM
 

Shawn said:

Warmingtrend, your missing what I was saying.  To break it down in "Warmingtrend Terms", I was saying that "other" weather stations like Channel 5 seem to copy and paste weather maps used by Accu Weather.  Unless of course, you own Accu Weather and Channel 5?

Anyway, on to more IMPORTANT things, whats the latest Jim Teske?
December 14, 2007 7:47 AM
 

PatB said:

Hi guys, I see NOAA is still non-comittal as far as storm track goes.  When can we expect to see the storm track?  I have to "call the ball" as soon as possible this weekend if I need to cancel Rel. Ed. on Sunday morning.  My district is anywhere between Altmar and Scriba (Rte. 104 corridor) and don't want people out stranded on the road.  I have educated the parents as far as lake effect goes; if its bad where you are stay put; but this is a different scenario...Thanks for all your hard work.  You are always #1 since you helped us get thru the 10 ft last winter without going crazy!
December 14, 2007 7:59 AM
 

Alair said:

Some mixed precip is starting to break out in the TX NM border area. And a little light snow in the OK panhandle. Think I'll watch for that to blow up thru the day.

Also check the storms in South FL. Moisture from the tropics waiting to get hooked! Dewpoints in S FL in the low 70s. Above average for this time of year. It's gonna be fun watching this all come together.
December 14, 2007 8:41 AM
 

Dave Longley said:

12:20 PM Friday - I'm off today, getting ready for the weekend, but I'm definitely keeping an eye on things.  Just perused the new model data, and they all show a strong low moving up into the Ohio Valley with secondary development off the coast.  Both lows would consolidate by Sunday evening near NYC.  This means 2 things.  A LOT of precipitation.  The general consensus is around 1.5" of "stuff"  That's liquid precipitation.  If it were all snow, we'd be talking 15+" of snow assuming a conservative 10 to 1 ratio (10 inches of snow, melted down to 1" of water)  We'll probably run closer to 12 or 14 to 1.  That give us a general 1 to 2 feet of snow.  The one thing to keep in mind is with that stronger Ohio Valley system, warmer air will have a better chance to wrap around the storm, and some of the latest info has shown a better chance for sleet.  This would be equally messy, but also tend to knock down snow accumulations.

Just re-interating.  No problems tomorrow or even tomorrow evening for that matter (go SU!)  Sunday is not going to be a nice day.  Things will improve quickly on Monday.  The lake effect doesn't even look super strong, although to be honest with you I haven't focused too much on that.

We'll keep things updated here, but be sure to check out Jim Teske tonight at 5 and 11 and also check out TMN Weekend, Saturday morning at 7 AM for the latest.
December 14, 2007 11:24 AM
 

Kippy said:

Dave, Thank you so much for keeping us all informed, even on your day off..
You know us storm enthusiast pretty good. Dave Eichorn must be off for a few days, I bet he wishes he could be part of all this, he always gets so excited. Watching how this storm develops and unfolds is pretty neat. I just hope we don't get the sleet and we have at least 3 ft. of snow. Thank you Jim, and Mark as well. You all do a great job! See you on TMN Weekend.
December 14, 2007 12:24 PM
 

Jim Teske said:

Nothing new to add from Dave Longley's post except to say that Dave Eichorn will be in for tonight's 5:00/5:30 PM shows.  Not even a vacation day will keep him away.

I'll add some of my own comments this evening after I've had a chance to look ast everything at work
December 14, 2007 12:46 PM
 

Let it snow said:

One of the places I looked said we are in the 12" to 24" range by time mMonday morning rolls around.  I think people are taking this serious, grocery stores are a lot more full than usual with people.
December 14, 2007 1:13 PM
 

Warming Trend said:

Thank you Dave L for keeping us informed on your day off.  We allappreciate it.

December 14, 2007 1:36 PM
 

MeaganQuirk said:

How about the chance for lake effect after the storm passes by?  Is that a possibility?
December 14, 2007 2:18 PM
 

NC9Fan2007 said:

Do we have any specifics on this storm and how much could we possibly see? I'm hoping for a snow day on Monday..?!
December 14, 2007 2:47 PM
 

Mike said:

NC9Fan2007 the N.W.S. issued a Winter Storm Warning. In it said snow totals could range from 18" to 30" by Monday!!!
December 14, 2007 3:32 PM
 

Tom said:

As the weather boy for my school my forecast for the upcoming storm is 1-2 feet of snow in central new york. THIS IS GREAT!!!!!!!!!!
December 14, 2007 3:52 PM
 

Shawn said:

Sounds like a tricky forecast as far as the Snow/Sleet goes.  It it was all snow, sounds like we could get 2 feet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Looking forward to hearing Jim Teskes latest update!

December 14, 2007 4:51 PM
 

Jim Teske said:

If you saw us on TV this evening or have checked out the web this evening you can see that our snowfall forecast map is showing 12-24" over most of Central New York from Saturday night into Sunday evening. It's hard to argue with the precipitation that the computer models have been printing out.  The GFS has been very consistent the last 2 or 3 days with run after run coming in between 1.25 and 1.75" in precip.

You may also notice we have a disclaimer at the bottom of the map about sleet keeping the snow totals down.  A couple computer models show enough warm getting in by Sunday morning for sleet, perhaps even north of Syracuse.  The key will be the development of the coastal low.  As long as that takes place Sunday morning that should prevent the warm air getting to us here in Syracuse.

I don't know if there will be any school closings Monday.  The storm snow will taper off Sunday evening and the lake effect doesn't look too impressive for Monday morning at this point.

That's all for now.  It's going to be a busy weekend.

Jim

December 14, 2007 7:27 PM
 

Shawn said:

I gotta thank Dave and Jim for keeping us updated on this during the week.  You guys have done an amazing job!  And extra props to Dave Longley, for 1st reporting a storm on the "back burner" on Sunday/Monday.  (We love you too Jim :-)

Anyway, sounds like it's going to be a busy Sunday.  Snowfall amounts of 1-2 feet, seems crazy for December!

I'll be interested to see what you guys (Jim and Dave) have to say late tonight/into the morning about pin pointing down snow totals.  1.75 inches of liquid is about 2 1/2ft of snow isnt it?  Man, that would be something!

No day off for me this weekend, I'm pulling double duty also.

Looking forward to your update Jim.  Keep up the great work!
December 14, 2007 9:13 PM
 

dlongley said:

Just a heads up.  I'm going to start a new blog this morning (Saturday) to carry us through the storm.  Full details on the forecast by 10 this morning.  I'll check this blog through the weekend, but I'd like to switch over to the new one for this storm.

Thanks for the input and feedback!  This has been fun through the week, and remember, this isn't only for this storm.  We write something weather related almost every day.

Dave
December 15, 2007 7:19 AM
 

Dan said:

Hey guys , great job ! how do you key in on the lake effect behind the noreaster?
December 15, 2007 7:55 AM
 

drydenmedic said:

Great Job!! This has been great to read all week.
December 15, 2007 8:32 AM
 

Warming Trend said:

News Channel 9 Storm Team:

In your new blog, could you please go into more detail about...
1.  300pm-evening on that wrap around (cyclonic) movement of the storm.  It looks like it’s going to be heavy during that time.  Some of the models are not showing that wrap around.  If that’s the case, that will also take are totals down.
2.  The lake effect - Jim said it doesn’t look too impressive and the nam shows only a brief flare towards the end of the storm.  Looks like it starts out over Syracuse and shifts north.
3.  I know we need to first focus on this storm this weekend.  THAT I KNOW...
But could you please just briefly comment on the new storm showing on the models for Christmas Day.  Looks like another strong Nor’easter.  

Thanks to all at Channel 9.  You all are doing a great informative job.  It looks like you guys are setting the mark for how a Weather Meteorologist can facilitate a storm for your viewers and it shows!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 15, 2007 9:17 AM
 

JR said:

Just wanted to say that I'm really pleased to see that you've started a weather blog that focuses on CNY!  

Keep up the great work.
December 15, 2007 9:37 AM
 

Bummer said:

Looks like this storm is going end up being not much of anything.  3" to 8" total and some sleet is nothing for us.
December 15, 2007 2:13 PM
 

dlongley said:

Warming Trend - 1.  It will be interesting when the upper low moves over us Sunday afternoon.  There should be some bursts of snow later tomorrow, with some graupel.  There could even be some thunder Sunday afternoon.

2.  The lake effect shouldn't be too organized, and we'll likely see a general area of snow southeast of Lake Ontario through at least the first half of Monday.  There may be some localized heavier squalls.  The persistence of the snow could mean several inches of snow in isolated spots.

3.  The southern branch of the jet stream is going to remain active into the end of the month.  Temperatures though won't be super cold and if the northern branch of the jet stream doesn't get in the mix, these might be more apt to produce rain.  We shall see.
December 15, 2007 3:19 PM
 

Warming Trend said:

Thank You Dave L.
December 15, 2007 3:46 PM
 

Mdbkr said:

I just drove back to Auburn from Syr And its (lightly) snowing as far east as Elbridge as of about 845p
December 15, 2007 8:06 PM
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