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Teske's Tidbits (11/8/07) Winter Outlook Edition

There is a good reason we don’t post our winter forecast in October or even earlier.  It’s not because we want to see what the other guys forecasted before we make ours.  It’s just we’ve learned from past experience that Fall can give us a lot of clues as to what the winter will be like.  As we see it, this Fall is no exception.  The two keys are the recent warmth and also the developing La Nina.

 

The whole beauty of the blog is that it can be a stream of consciousness to what we are currently researching.  You may recall in my first blog we found this nugget: when there is 90 degrees or warmer in the last half of September (it was 91 on September 25th)  we tend to have above normal snow during the following winter. It was an eye opener but it was a small sample; only 3 pervious years since 1950. 


Now fast forward to October. It ended up as the warmest October on record.  This is the kind of anomaly that we like to use when we make a seasonal forecast.  We took a look at past warm Octobers and that opened things to a much larger sample of 18 years. A majority of those years DID NOT have big snow years in the following winters.  In addition, when there are an unusual amount of 80 degree days in October (3 or more days) there has never been a winter with more than 130” of snow.  That’s a 0 for 7 slump.  These are some of the reasons we are not going with a big snow year.


Now on to the La Nina.  That’s the cooler than normal water temperatures in the Equatorial Pacific and that has been unfolding over the last couple of months.  Digging through the numbers of past La Ninas we found the signals point away from big snow years.  Only 3 out of 16 La Nina winters had snowfall above 130” .The other thing about La Nina is that it does have an impact on the jet stream here in the United States.  Unlike during an El Nino (when there is a strong southern branch of the jet stream) the northern branch is the main player during a La Nina. With this stronger northern branch we still do see lots variability in our winter weather and we think that will still lead to near normal snowfall.

 

Keep in mind when you are looking at large samples of past winters there is no black and white: 100% of the years do not show up as all above or all below normal. There are usually no ‘slam dunks.’ That’s the forecasting game; you have to play the percentages. So based on these numbers we are forecasting a winter with near normal snowfall and above normal temperatures.  That’s it.  From this point on there is no more tinkering.  Seasonal forecasts are not our main focus in the office but we’ve done pretty well in the past.  Let’s see what happens over the next few months. Meanwhile, we now turn to the short term and forecasting the daily weather that will make up the winter.

Published Thursday, November 08, 2007 8:41 AM by Jim Teske

Comments

 

Bonnie said:

During a La Nina year, where do our temperatures normally fall?
November 8, 2007 2:59 PM
 

Mike S said:

Bonnie: I believe they're typically above average. Then again, what's average, 3% of the time we hit it.

Here's some comments on TMN's school closing this morning. Why did you guys take out the picture of a bus with "SCHOOL ALERT!" and replace it with an ad? Sure, it wouldn't have been that bad if you made it visibly neat, but all you had was grey behind it. I don't think you need that much money.

Also, you stopped for the commercials. WSYR's been the only station that goes non-stop, why switch back now?
November 8, 2007 8:22 PM
 

Jim Teske said:

Bonnie,

The breakdown of winter temperatures in La Nina Winter's is as follows:

8 out of 16 Above Normal
4 out of 16 Below Normal
4 out of 16 Near Normal

The signal for warmer than normal temperatures is actually stronger following a warm October:

11 out of 18 Above Normal
4 out of 18 Below Normal
3 out of 18 Below Normal

Remember, these are averages for 3 months (december-February).  I'm sure there will be periods within these 3 months that are still quite wintry if we are going to get to near nomal snowfall.

Jim
November 9, 2007 9:18 AM
 

judy said:

There seems to be robins still around.  Actually a considerable amount.  Do you think that has any indication of a warmer than normal winter?  
November 9, 2007 10:09 AM
 

Jim Teske said:

Judy,

Don't know exactly what to make of all the robins being around as of early November but I recall being told by one of weather watchers and resident bird expert that not all robins leave Central New York during the winter. I'll have to check up on that one.

Jim
November 10, 2007 7:11 PM
 

Jim Teske said:

Judy,

I just checked with our bird expert, Dorothy Crumb and she says there are a small minority of robins (hardy ones, I would guess) that winter here in Central New York.  They can usually be found near berry or sumac bushes or perhaps an open stream that might still have some insects. So if you see a robin on a mild day in February it isn't necessarily a sign the rest of the robins are coming back.

Jim

November 13, 2007 12:37 PM
 

judy said:

Jim,

Thank you for checking.  I do have bushes with tons of berries and they are always there.  

Judy
November 16, 2007 8:05 AM
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