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Plugged In: the DTV Switch

Location, location, location

One of the more vexing problems with DTV is that you can't always predict how good your new digital reception will be, based on how your old analog set performs.  At my house in the Onondaga Valley, I get terrible analog reception but I get 16 Syracuse digital stations really well.  (Of course, I am also using a really hot antenna -- the Gray Hoverman I built last spring.)  On the other hand, some people who got apparently good analog reception will have serious problems receiving digital.

Which brings us to a question Mike S posted last night, concerning his grandmother's house in the general vicinity of West Martinsburg (okay, think near Lowville and you're in the right part of the state).  She is getting marginal reception, which isn't terribly surprising when you look at the exact location and the signal path to her house.

I've blogged before about TVFool's predicted coverage maps, and they have proven to be quite a good predictor of actual reception results... so I gave it a spin.  Here's the wide view:

The colors represent signal strength at ground level, ranging from white and red, which are strongest, going down through blue and purple, where you need a high gain outdoor antenna and a good amplifier to pull in a useable signal.  In this picture, you see WWTI's transmitter in the upper left, and Mike's grandmother's house in the crosshars at lower right.  It's a bit hard to make out detail, so let's take a closer look by the house:

As we said, blue to purple is going to take some work.  I used a path mapping tool we generally use for microwave planning to get an idea of what was obstructing the signal:

At the left is WWTI's tower, and the dark blue line coming from the top is the signal coming from the transmit antenna, across to Grandma's receive antenna on the right.  The jagged brown line is the earth's contour -- so what you are seeing is that the signal is trying to go through the hills about 15-20 kilometers (okay, 10-12 miles) from the transmitter.  That lighter blue curve at the bottom, incidentally, would be the ground curvature if there were no hills.  See the hilltop closest to the house, almost all the way to the right?  Here's what it looks like on a terrain map:

Here's the thing:  if you can get your receive antenna high enough to clear the nearest obstruction, oftentimes you will also solve obstructions along the middle of the path.  Remember, the TVFool plots assume the antenna to be at ground level, but knowing the area, I assumed that there's a rooftop antenna on the house, about 25-30 feet above ground.  But let's say that Mike gets some friends together and erects a 100-foot tower of the sort that amateur radio operators use.  Look what happens to the path:

Shazam!  We clear all of the obstructions, and Longley-Rice path loss (that's a measure of how much strength the signal loses as it makes its way from the transmit antenna to the receive antenna) goes from 127.54dB to 111.29dB.  Is that cool, or what?  Another thing to consider is that the path from WWTI's tower to Grandma's notional tower follows NY route 12, then county route 29, almost exactly along the hillside.  The farther west you put the antenna, the more the hills will obstruct it; so in this case, the tower should go as far east as it can be.  Also, given the length of the cable run, you really should use RG-11 to hold line loss to a minimum.

Say... I wonder if that will be enough for her to see Syracuse stations like WSYR... ?  Let's find out.

Hmmm... looks like Mike's going to need more help to build that tower: it's going to take about 750 feet to make it over the hills to Syracuse.  Hope the neighbors don't mind the flashing tower lights...

Seriously, since it appears most unlikely that she will see anything but Watertown stations from that location, and since they are all in roughly the same direction from her house, plus or minus a few degrees, there is probably no benefit to installing a rotator... so that simplifies things, and also means that you don't have to worry so much about the coax flexing and cracking in the bitter cold.  A small gain, anyway.

Have a wonderful holiday!

-- Jeff

 

Published Wednesday, December 24, 2008 9:05 AM by JH Engineering

Comments

 

Mike S said:

Thanks for the insight.

// Now if WSTM wouldn't mind building a translator for Watertown. ;)
December 24, 2008 10:44 AM
 

Mike S said:

Actually, according to TV fool, if I erect a tower across the street in the corn field, with good cabling, and a booster, I *should* be able to WKTV
December 24, 2008 10:47 AM
 

JH Engineering said:

WKTV doesn't surprise me... you're shooting along the valley in the opposite direction.  Contrary to popular assumption, they don't broadcast from Smith Hill in Utica, even though they have a tower there... their transmitter is about six miles north-northeast of Herkimer.  Oddly enough, several days ago my Dad told me the story behind this: WKTV started in 1949 on channel 13, transmitting from the tower next to their studio on Smith Hill; in 1959 the FCC juggled channel allocations across the state, and WKTV was moved to channel 2 (the whole deal opened up channel 13 in Rochester and Albany, and was also responsible for creating a third VHF in Syracuse: WNYS, channel 9).  Buffalo's WGR-TV (now WGRZ) was also on channel 2, and the FCC determined that the distance between their transmitter and Smith Hill was not enough to avoid interference, so WKTV was required to buy a new transmitter site farther east, plus tower, transmitter, antenna, and microwave link.  Quite a financial hit for a ten-year-old station...

-- Jeff
December 24, 2008 11:15 AM
 

Mike S said:

I remember back when we had the 50 year old antenna we could get WKTV, but it wasn't clear.

Do you know when Channel Master plans on releasing the 4228HD?
December 24, 2008 11:37 AM
 

JH Engineering said:

I just called Solid Signal -- (866) 374-4625, www.solidsignal.com -- they have 62 of the Channel Master 4228HD antennas in stock.  <cheezy announcer voice> Makes the perfect Christmas gift! </cheezy announcer voice>

-- Jeff
December 24, 2008 11:57 AM
 

Mike S said:

One more question (hopefully the last): is there a VHF element available.

For public information, after the DTV conversion, WWNY-TV will be going back to VHF channel 7. They say it's to help people, I say it's so that people need more equipment to get WWTI.
December 24, 2008 12:50 PM
 

Mike S said:

I guess one more. Does the Magnavox converter box have manual RF tune ability? I have an Igsignia box that does, but that's in Florida right now. I'm thinking that I might be able to tune to WWTI's digital channel (21) and see if it picks anything at all up there.

And I figure I'll ask it again. Any way to simulcast 9 news on that? Subchannel? WWNY isn't the best news.
December 24, 2008 1:10 PM
 

JH Engineering said:

That's the difference between the now-discontinued 4228 and the new 4228HD: it now includes a VHF element to extend the coverage from channel 7 to 51, so it should be just about ideal for your location.

Your observation about WWNY's channel change has me grinning... but my guess is that the bigger reason is the much lower operating costs.  To replicate their analog coverage, they should be running at 750kW digital on channel 35 (they are currently operating under special temporary authorization at only 135kW).  On the other hand, they can get their full-coverage digital with 24.9kW on channel 7.  Not only don't they spin the electric meter nearly as fast... but they can easily use a solid state transmitter instead of a less efficient IOT or klystron design.  Also, they pick up some elevation as their channel 7 antenna is top mounted on the tower, instead of the side-mounted UHF antenna they're using for 35.

-- Jeff
December 24, 2008 1:13 PM
 

JH Engineering said:

Goodness... you're nailing me with new questions faster than I can type the answers to the old ones!

About the Magnavox:  yes, you should be able to enter 2 1 and have it see WWTI (for example).

Sorry... simulcasting WSYR's news on WWTI doesn't seem likely, but I'm just a lowly engineer.  We did that once, remember, with WUTR...

-- Jeff
December 24, 2008 1:18 PM
 

carlb said:

The original 4228 was a UHF antenna, the 4228HD is a UHF + high-VHF antenna.

The new version 4228HD should be fine in Watertown, despite WWNY returning to VHF 7 and despite the inevitability that CKWS - as close to the border as it gets - will be VHF 11 (their nominal digital channel, UHF 69, is an "out-of-core" frequency that the US held back for emergency use, it was never built or even applied for as there are no requirements that the Wolfe Island transmitter put even one bit of digital on-air before 2011's Canadian analogue shutdown; their uplink CHEX Peterborough also may well just flash-cut in 2011 on an existing VHF channel)

There will be a VHF 6 in Albany after this is over, but I think that's the only one in NY state to be too low in frequency to be received digitally by the 4228HD antenna.
December 24, 2008 1:24 PM
 

Mike S said:

That caused an uproar because it was a flash cut from Smith hill news to Bridge St. WWTI only has 5 minutes of news production. I don't think anyone would notice, and it might have a fighting chance seeming WWNY only does 6pm news. You might have some saying Watertown is turning SYR though, seeming STM is already doing news for them.
December 24, 2008 1:43 PM
 

JH Engineering said:

Mike,  that's true enough.  Some really odd things happened during the transition after the sale was approved and before it was consummated.

Carl, good to hear from you again!

Time for me to lock up the office... a merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night!

-- Jeff
December 24, 2008 2:06 PM
 

carlb said:

Merry Christmas!
December 24, 2008 2:52 PM
 

Mike S said:

What fun it is seeing what TV stations you can get! (I might build a Gary-Hoverman to try out here in Port Leyden).

The Magnavox worked very well for what I was expecting. It picked up WKTV, WWNY, and WPBS. However, on WKTV and WPBS, it had serious issues with multipath (made for some interesting scenarios when audio skipped or portions of the screen faded during the news while others stayed on the story). Also the Magnavox lacks ventilation holes, leading to a really warm box after an hour.

Today, I went to Watertown Radio-Shack and got a Zenith (LG) box with the 2nd DTV coupon she (my grandmother) had. I hooked that up and it got excellent reception of WPBS and WKTV. It's awesome seeing a TV station over 60 miles away! Multi-path seems to be a huge issue on WKTV at night. I haven't been able to see how the Zenith handles nighttime watching.

Now onto my original goal, WWTI. The Magnavox decoded the PSIP, and had it on the list. However, there was a grand total of 1-2 seconds of audio, with a big splodge of video. The Zenith didn't add it to the list, however using RF tune, it was picking up a signal, but it was constantly in the red.

Now to look at building a Gary-Hoverman for my house (and i have cable).
December 27, 2008 9:22 PM
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