I wouldn't trust Greg as far as I could throw him.

The Angel of Death now tries to become the Angel of Mercy... Hey Greg actions speak louder than words. If you think I'm going to commit to Magna and then you lay me off before a Chrysler employee that has less time than me you are smokin some good crack. This is a Magna factory now, Magna employees should and will come first. You just want to take my 87,500 away from me along with my senority. If this is the case you can take you historic contract and put it where the sun don't shine

you want our trust and support? make good on all past promises and that would be a good start!!!!!!!!!!! dont forget the wages and bennies through sept 14, 2011

What??? Trust??? You want employees to commit to magna and the first thing you do is give higher seniority, staying with Chrysler employees, plant seniority?? You give lower seniority people no choice but to stay Chrysler for their own protection!!!!! So they go out the door with benefits when laid off. Being a magna employee on lay-off is cutting your own throat!!!! You go into state program for 26 weeks then you’re done. Chrysler and magna both, just wiped their hands of you. Why did they do this??? It’s cheaper for magna to lay-off and get rid of their own, once you convert, then to pay the sub and health of legacy employee. What do you call this monster that eats it own?????? Trust??? Yeah right. How many jobs you guaranteeing, 1800 now, 2010- 1000. Where’s this in your sugar coated Media releases!!!!!!!!

Tell these hard working people the truth  now that the  goverment is helping put in the agreement that if layed off before payment is given the 87.500 you will regardless  promise to pay them  whats due them you realize the stress people our under their trusted Manga and the Union when their purchase npg what happen to that promise if it was your family what with Greg tell his son or daughter to do their are some many families working their husband wives sister and brothers nephew and nieces  generation going down the drain Greg I see Manga stocks are doing good  you brought work to your candaian plant  from here these are the finest people hard workers decade workers yes the pay was good but so is the job their due for companies everyday to make you money you want to work with these people put it in writing by signing a contract promising it to all that stay with you not to lay them off losing the 87.500 adjusting their wages means also adjusting their lives how can you ask them to due both give up the money and jobs not fair Manga  Greg  you would not ask a family member to do it with out a contract how can you ask a loyal legacey employee of npg whos work so hard to get to this point we understand the economy is bad but what will it be in six months will you be willing to say than you will give us back our money hard question to answer we love our jobs and our family need the jobs but and we are loyal syracusen we have parents who depend on these people  how can we honestly vote yes and tell our famlies it going to be alright and by mothers day or fathers day we break their hearts and say the people we trusted just lay me off and i we not be getting the 62,500 and i am losing my home and  my lifestyle and pride we are the people who live here and pay taxes not Greg so our goverment politcain should be saying we will give you money but it must be a contract you must keep the people who are working their now till 2011 or as you say you will have work to 2017 it is easy to say trust you now but we do not have what you have if you closed this plant tomorrow you have a golden parachute to fall back on big job somewere else this is a family plant many famly members have work so hard and have lost their lives their or retired and died from putting their jobs first not seeing kids gradute get married this is more than about the money its about honesty. i want to see my grandchildren grow up here syracuse is the greatest place to leave we are the hub of new york state and our jobs are also the hub of nys keep us here give us a good faith promise in writing pay us more to stay then up front meet us half way god bless the usa and all parents of the legacey npg foreverand their famlies

Magna wants us to trust them that the are  going to pay and stay. Give me the 87,500. up front and trust us we haven't lied to magna.

DOUG WE TRUSTED  YOU AND YOUR TEAM HOW COULD YOU JUST SALE OUT US ISNT YOUR JOB TO FIGHT  FOR EVERY ONE JOB  BROTHER  WE ALL VOTING NO THIS A REAL JOKE 8 MONTHS AND THIS IS HOW YOU RE PAY US  

Magna puts in 40 million, 108 in buy down. 148 million total
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Employees' put in avg-$10/hr =400/wk X 2700=$1,080,000/wk=$56,160,000/yr

$56,160,000/yr X 4yrs=$224,640,000 !!!!!!! employees' put into this deal
So after magna feeds us back 108 mill. from OUR CONTRIBUTION, feeds another 40 into plant, They but $76,640,000 to their bottom line from OUR CONTRIBUTION!!!
You forget you f'ng calculator in negotiations Dougie!!!!

Try this math:

Magna puts in $108,000,000 for buydown divided by $87,500 per worker.... that only breaks down to enough for 1234 workers. There are 2700 in the plant. I think they're a bit short!

Chrysler should pay the VTEP and Magna should let the workers keep their seniority at the reduced wage.

Just wondering, aren't the 300+ magna employees that are laid off part of the 2700 employees.

Magna is gonna shaft all of us...............give us the $87,500 up front

This is AMERICA, Mr. Deveson..............we trust NO ONE!! ESPECIALLY CORPORATE GREED!

I just wanted to add this- I have applied to over 30 different jobs since being laid off in January and only had 3 call backs that were paying around 10 dollars a hour. Yes, I do have experience in the jobs I applied  too. I just wanted to give you something to think about if you decide to vote no to this contract and Magna decides to pull out.

people have to VOTE YES,if you don't then you are not letting the others have a choice in there lives,if it goes to a no vote then they close the place and WE ALL HAVE NOTHING.

Magna will stick it up the unions ass  in the future.  Beware NPG workers.  They only look for profit for there big wheels and invest somewhere else where there plants are.  Most of there plants are non-union.  If they say they are making money as the books say, then why do they want to lower wages,  or move out of town if they don't get what they want.  Its greed on there part.  Make the union fight for your rights, fight for all those jobs plus your pay, in which you deserve.  That place is tough to work in.  So fight for your say.

     Most of the people who work there are spoiled, overpaid slugs who haven't done an honest days work in years.    They have no idea what it's like in the real
world.     The cry babies are going to find out though.    Magna should get rid of
the people who have been there for generations and dragged their whole family in there with them to do as little as possible.    Cull the herd Magna.    We want you
to be successful in Syracuse.   You won't be if you keep the non productive slugs
who have this twisted sense of entitlement.

        Thank You

Greg...Greg...Greg....little too late for that rhetoric. I remember sitting in grey square and applauding you guys. BOY did you pull one over on us......and remember the promise of not working so much to be with our families.......don't know if this is accurate...but existing employees--BUYER BEWARE!  By the way---instead of applauding we should have given you guys the NY one finger salute!!!!!!!

so you vote no...then what? have you thought that far ahead? I'll take 20 bucks an hour! I'll even take 14 bucks an hour!

It's amazing to me that now all the employees are willing to work for far less than they were making. After all these years they finally woke up and realized they were way over paid for doing nothing!!!!

Why is it people who are clueless about factory jobs are the ones cluttering up the blogs with inexperenced remarks. Walk a mile in our shoes then talk "real world" and "petris"....until your able to except your own pathetic life stay the hell out of ours!!!!! Jealously will get you no where.

"No Idea" I know what I'm talking about, I worked at NVG for a couple of years as a non union person. I was amazed at what people were making for sitting around doing nothing other than pushing an on and off button. Jealous, NO amazed YES!! You guys have priced yourselves right out of the market. Don't be mad at me, be mad at yourself and your greedy coworkers.  

OVER THREE YEARS AGO,MAGNA SIGNED A CONTRACT THAT STATED THAT THEY WOULD PAID LEGACY WORKERS CHRYSLER WAGES AND BENIFITS UNTIL 2011. AFTER THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THE CHOICE TO TRANSFER OR STAY AT MAGNA WAGES AT THE EAST SYRACUSE PLANT. WE WERE TOLD AT TIME IF WE DIDNT AGREE TO THIS,MAGNA COULD NOT BUY THE FACILITY AND BY NOW WE ALL WOULD BE OUT OF WORK. THIS ISNT ABOUT GREED,IT IS ABOUT FAIRNESS.IT IS ABOUT HONOR. TRY BACKING OUT OF YOUR MORTGAGE OR A LOAN FOR A CAR AND SEE HOW LONG YOU GET AWAY WITH IT.

Another overpaid npg slug.....Amen brother....As for you real world whats the real reason your not still working there?????

IF you want a job that assures your future, the auto industry has never been the place to be. It is and always has been a cyclical business. Magna is committing  40 million dollars this year in capitol improvements to an aging facility, 108,000,000 in buy down money because Chrysler said go pound salt to you, and bringing new business into the building. If that's not a commitment, what is? $20 plus an hour for unskilled in CNY sounds pretty good to me!

I think it's all nuts!!!

Are you people crazy!!!  You'd better think long and hard before voting no!  The auto industry has more ups and downs then a roller coaster at six flags.  Most of you are untalented, unskilled and uneducated.  Your $14.00 an hour is a gift!!!  Try finding a job in Syracuse with those qualifications with that pay outside the manufacturing plant.  If you vote no, your next words will be "Would you like fries with that?"

Lots of good stuff here I've worked thier for 15yrs and some of you are right there are alot of slugs in this plant but thats Magna's ,Chrysler's and the unions fault no accountabilty. The place needs to be fumigated

Why is it whenever there is a union involved all the jerks come to the surface?

ALL OF YOU PLEASE STOP THE BULL!!!!!!!MAGNA CAME IN AND PROMISED US NEW TECHNOLOGY,SECURE WORK, MORE GEAR CUTTING,AND A FACE LIFT OF OUR PLANT. WE GOT NEW LIGHTS AND A HAT AND THE MOST MICRO MANAGED PLANT IN THE USA, AND NOW YOU WANT US TO BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE COMMITED TO SYRACUSE. I WILL WORK WITH YOU GREG BUT DO NOT TREAT US AS YOUR PAWNS.

This is probably one of the most difficult decisions in our lives.  For most of us, this plant has been all that we have known for years.  For most of us, working at the plant has been a "Golden Opportunity" of a great salary?  With little or no education, people have been so fortunate? Most people have no idea of the highly educated and Degreed individuals that are employeed at the plant- teachers, accountants, lawyers, true professionals!!  There are outside individuals that simply want to see our Union fail and have the plant close.  Those people are the Jealous ones that wish they had been in our shoes all of these years.  Most of us have earned that money, thru great attendance, rediculously scheduled overtime, body aches and pains, and lets not forget the 110 degree summer work days.  Why don't you work 12 hrs a day 6-7 days a week on third shift and never see your family!!!  Lets see you exist at the plant for one week on third shift and then form your opinion!!  When you think about every job in America, there are trade-offs.  Teachers make a good wage working 9 months a year, are you going to frown on them for getting paid to enjoy the summer with their families saying that they should have a pay cut because they only work 9 months a year babysitting kids??  Don't judge a situation until you are apart of it!!  Then again, you are probably one of the ones that Chrysler would not hire back in the day!  

Listen to the concerned employee I worked piece work jobs that you have to bust your rear to make money. And your reward is good pay and repeditive motion injuries that stick with you for life. Thats because we use other musles besides the ones around our mouths. 20 bucks an hr for some of the jobs in this plant are slave wages.

I TOO AM VERY ANGRY ABOUT THE WHOLE DEAL . YES $20/HR. IS GOOD BUT IT'S NOT WHAT WAS PROMISED . WE ALL THOUGHT WE HAD A FEW MORE YEARS TO PREPARE FOR A PAYCUT . I KNOW THIS HAPPENS ALL OVER BUT THE PEOPLE THAT DON'T WALK IN OUR SHOES SHOULD NOT EVEN COMPARE . YOU ARE THE SAME PEOPLE THAT TRIED TO GET A JOB THERE YOURSELF . JUST BECAUSE YOU WERE UNSUCESSFUL AT GETTING EMPLOYMENT AT NPG DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO " ASSUME " WHAT WE DO OR WHAT GOES ON . WE BREATHE DIRTY AIR , COME HOME WITH OIL ON OUR SKIN , HAVE MANAGEMENT WATCHING OVER US CONSTANTLY , AND DESTROY OUR HEARING WHILE MAKING THE BEST TRANSFER CASES IN THE WORLD . OUR WAGES HELP YOU PEOPLE IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ECONOMICS . WATCH AND SEE HOW THE ECONOMY AND YOURSELVES DO NOW THAT WE ARE TAKING A PAY CUT . IT'S A TRICKLE DOWN EFFECT MY FRIENDS . KNOW THE DEAL BEFORE YOU CALL PEOPLE LAZY . WE ALSO KEEP YOU AND YOUR FAMILY SAFE WITH OUR 4 X 4 UNITS .

I'm just wondering,  what is the hardest job in the plant?  

For the people that think we are overpaid we are! the reason for this is we are working 6-7 days a week, Don't see are families as much as you do, and feel like we are 60 ysr old from this work! So until you pound the parts out shut the @#!%%#$#^ up. There are alot of slugs in there and they will get theres. I'm just tired of all the big corp. and bush, this country is going to hell with corp greed and big oil companies. So go to school for 4-6 years and make your 45-60 though if u r lucky and pay back untold amounts of student loans. Once agian big lies and corp greed will prevail at th ecost of the shrinking middle class.

2004 CONTRACT

international union slams their hands on the table and says we will guarantee you your chrysler wages until 2011. (I BET THIS IDIOT DOESN'T SHOW UP TO THE MEETING SUNDAY)

magna and chrysler are 2 seperate companies. they both signed a contract in 2004 that chysler wages would be paid until 2011. (THEY DIDN'T)


magna says they are going to invest millions of dollars to improve the plant. (THEY PAINT 1/4 OF THE PLANT AND PUT IN NEW LIGHT BULBS) THIS COST MILLIONS ?? THEY DIDNT EVEN FINISH THE PLANT !

2007 CHRYSLER CONTRACT


chrysler to pay $100k to all npg workers to break all ties ....Magna who should have no say at all tells us if we stay we can not take the $100k from chrysler and keep our jobs with Magna....WHAT ! THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT ! (2 SEPERATE COMPANIES REMEMBER)

magna says if they win the contract to build the F150 transfer case they would build it at NPG guaranteed ! they got the contract and (THEY BUILT IT IN MEXICO)

magna says they will not pay chrysler wages, they take away our paid lunch that is 15 minutes long, make us come to work a 1/2 hour early but dont pay us for it , they want to double up the jobs for 40 percent less pay to work in a complete dump with chemicals that causes who knows what, and work in 110 degrees in the summer 7 days a week.

magna dictates your personal days and vacation time.

MAGNA IS A FAMILY ORIENTED COMPANY !

a no vote will not close the plant, but only get a few guarantees that are truly well deserved

To: "Curious to your opinion" Heat treat 2nd shift summer- Temps reach 130+. Try that 12 hrs a day 6-7 days a week, makes "Terri’s" cooking fries in A/C a cat walk.

To:” Terri", you’re probably the one the F's up my drive thru order. As for work force, more educated then you know, workers here have mba's, Doc's. PhD’s-teachers, accountants, lawyers, true professionals!! Maybe you should listen more and run your lips less and you won't f'up my order! Take a class in economics 101 and you’ll realize that the guy down the road wages influences your Wage Idiot!!!!

To: Real world: Why aren't you still there??? 1) To much pressure for you or 2) they chewed you up and spit you out with no protection.

To: concerned employee: Right on union brother!!! These outsiders form opinionated jealous bigot remarks based on media and hear say and I know someone who yada yada yada!!! Your right, this is our decision, our future and we'll see and do what best for us. Not what Joe blow the $7/hr Idaho potato fryer (Terri) thinks we should agree to. Because they can't find the right avenues to progress to better wages and benefits and find it easier to belittle the better off.

There are slugs that work in all forms of employment, not just at npg. Like the one who can get my order right or give me change from a ten dollar bill if the cash register doesn't work, Terri.

I for one, Am tired of every time we go up or down, Our wages, bonuses, take always are blasted all over the media and we have to put up with bigots opinions.

To my union brothers and sisters: God bless in solidarity

Just for the record the old guy that has worked here for a long time because of the good wage knows how to tap the adjustment screws on the 40 year old machine just right to give us good gears. The guys and gals on the assembly lines catch parts that are defective because they know what they are looking at because they have worked here a long time because the wage is better. I would hardly call these people unskilled or un-talented.
Let's hope that the members make a good decision and if it means the plant stays open then lets hope that the management team starts to make some better long term decisions

Where's that fat ass Tony D that stood in front of this union in 04  and said, and i quote word for word, " till 2011, your legacy wages and benefits, Let me say it agian,till 2011, your legacy wages and benefits, let me say it agian,till 2011, your legacy wages and benefits. what don't you understand?" Like we were literates. And we go be forth this union leaders agian Sunday to hear more? Drag that fat ass up front now and let us hear him run his mouth. We need to send a clear message to these take care of ourselves first leaders NO MORE!!

Say 1000 of these so called "unskilled" laborers take the buyouts and leave, then what?  Who is going to train new employees to do these jobs?  You're certainly not going to produce anything of worth for along time.

To Terri: if you think it's a cake walk, apply April 1st, my job will be open, have at it, I'm sure you can handle it with no training right off the street. Frying fries will seem like a dream job.

Magna is not going to close up shop...A no vote is the only way to send a message to this company who made billions last year that they need to stick to the commitments they promised, it's time to renegotiate.

Magna never wanted the plant to begin with, they were forced by Chrysler to "buy" it or risk losing other business they have with them.
Magna has left themselves several ways to still close the place.
If the contract is voted down, the plant will close.
If the contract is approved and too many legacy employees decide to stay with Chrysler, the plant will close. (they claim they can't afford to carry them at full pay)
If they don't reach certin "benchmarks" in the next 2 years, the future bonuses will not be paid out and the plant may close.
It seems to me they already have their minds set to close the plant, they're just looking for a way to make it look like the Syracuse work force is the reason why.
I still don't trust you Greg.

Fellow Magna-tized employees. Where is Mr Scott Stanton now, that we need him to explain the 2004 take over by Magna, wasn't he the President of Local 624 at the time and "sold" us what we wanted to hear back then? He should be accountable for those lies as well. The plant will not close. The yes vote will prevail, because there are more sensible people working there than you idiots voting no, once an idiot always an idiot. You'll be thanking us in the future for voting as we did.

no matter what you vote bothers and sisters, we all need to do whats best for our families and ourselves.  listen with a open mind and do what is best for you.  I work with some of the best people and would like to continue to do so.  my fellow magna workers who were laid off were very hard workers and i do miss them too.  they deserve to be given a chance to succeed there too.  We must succeed in proving to magna that we are the best workforce and do deserve our pay.  Yes, middle class is getting smaller and we are getting squeezed, it truly sucks!  We will prevail if only to prove the nay sayers, lame and lazies wrong!  God bless our union, our military, and our country

hey yea tony duh,how you doin? oh living on the fat Chrysler check eh? you don't care now do you? got a big sausage sangwich stuffed in your face,yea just keep on smiling,trader.........

Here's a news flash. If Magna Powertrain closes we have no future. Four years ago we at Magna Powertrain were told there would be a pay cut in 2011. Has any other company ever told their employees this ?  Is this tentative agreement what we were promised ? No it's not, but it's pretty close. However, considering the economy, gas prices, transfer case builds about half of what they used to be, 4WD sales down, the economy down, and the american auto industry struggling, the UAW did an awesome job trying to secure our future. Can we trust Magna Power Train ? Only Time will tell. If accept the contract at least we have a shot at a future.

You, sir, are speaking out of both sides of your mouth.

jack of all trades, scotts still here at the plant working. You voted him out and put these ying yang yes men in place remeber????? Wheres tonyd, kerwin and few of the others??? padded their pockets and hit the road!!!!!While we were on the front of the boat learning how to patch holes on this sinking ship, they were on the back jumping off with the last of the life jackets!!!!

I went though one plant closing @ Miller and wasn't given any other options if you don't know what its like to lose your job nows not the time to find out. You have some choices here think with your head not your pocket!!!!! Swollow your pride and do whats best for your familys

the plant is gonna shut down in the future any how.  I know one of the big men heading up the deal.  They might as well do it now and get it over with

ok.624,how did the meeting go?should I stay or should I go now????

The few of you that think this is a good deal keep ASSUMING one very large thing. And that is that Magna will be here in the future. They won't!!! You HAVE to accept that. They don't want to be here, at any price-point.
Frank Stronach and Magna didn't get to where they are by treating workers fairly or doing the right thing.
They don't want to be here and they will use any excuse to leave. Just re-read the e-mail and look at all the "outs" he left the company. All the "as long as" and "if we" statements.
Deveson's just giving lip service in that e-mail. His job is probably on the line if he doesn't get this contract approved. I bet he's scared.

Your options aren't: close under Chrysler or stay open under Magna. No. If you believe that, then you're lying to yourself. That plant will not stay open. I don't care if you took a paycut down to $7 per hour. Magna doesn't want to be here. I don't care what they say. They are all liars. Their actions speak louder than their words.

The only REAL option is: close under Chrysler or close under Magna. The options under a Chrysler plant closing are MUCH better than a closing under Magna, which will give you NO options.

I don't envy you guys. It's a tough decision. Good luck.

Ok Keith, lets hear a name.If you can't then you are as full of bull as everyone else.

Vote NO on this contract and the doors close,what is so hard to figure out? I worked at NVG and then transfered to the Belvidere plant and if I knew that you guys would of benn given a contract with  $20.16 an hour and a buydown I would of stayed, were in the hell are you going to go and make 20 dollars an hour in CNY. How did Doug and your his team sell you guys out cause he said it looked like a wage of 15 dollars an hour then they get $20.16 an hour. For all the people that think NVG workers are spoiled and slugs come try working in one of the machineing depts on 2nd shift in mid july then tell me what u got to say, you people that put down NVG are all just pissed off that u couldnt get a job there.

To all those who think a NO vote equals a closing, I got news for you.

A YES vote also equals a closing.

Magna is not going to stay here.
When Magna closes NPG, you get nothing. If it closes under Chrysler, you get SUB, 48 week lay-offs, job bank, better benefits, more time paid into your Chrysler pension, etc. Even if you're laid-off or in the job bank, you'll do way better.

You guys would make more money in the job bank than you would if you accepted Magna's offer. Hell, I'd bet most of you would make the same money on SUB & UI then you would with Magna's proposed wage.

Just keep this scenario in mind:
Magna gets it's YES vote. Most people switch to Magna, giving up ALL their Chrysler rights. They believe Magna is going to be here, that they will pay out the complete $87,000 buy-down, and that they will pay that $20.16 per hour.
Now, 1 year from now, Magna decides that the shareholders weren't getting a good enough return on their investment. They close the plant.
Tell me now what you have. You have $405 per week for 26 weeks. THAT'S IT!!!
You didn't get all of your $87,000. You didn't get a "soft landing". You didn't get any health benefits. You didn't even get a chance to make that $20.16 per hour for very long. Tell me how that's better than what would happen if the plant closes under Chrysler.

hungry?eat your foreign car;o)

What are you people talking about, The only thing that is for sure is that you and only you can a sure yourself of work. Get some education and stop relying on others. The truth is the the day you stop paying dues the union will cut you like youare a friend of Jimmy Hoffa. So please buy some cheese do a little wining and get educated. Your livelyhood is YOUR business and no one elses.

They will all vote yes, and then Magna will close in 3-5 years anyway. Thats the Real Deal.

It really is tough to complain about $20/hr in Syracuse NY with the current state of the economy and fuel prices, especially when you're job is mostly dependent on SUV's. It's not what we were promised but really try to find something better locally. For the qualifications required for this job, the pay is fair. It is disappointing but fair. The safest bet is to probably take the money. You can gamble on staying with Chrysler hoping not having to transfer within 4 years just as much as you can gamble on Magna being here in 4 years.

if chrysler is not around in 4 years then you wont have to worry about magna being around in 4 years

Went to meeting . Sounded decent enough. Options are tricky . Hard to tell whats the best option for me . At least there's options !! Will chrysler stay viable under cerebus ? will magna leave anyway ? Will Magna try to re-do there deal (pending passage) in a year and say there going to close if we don't accept ? Everyone on the union barganing comitee Kept saying guarantee ! We all know there is no such thing . Its a hell of a risk either way ! vtep 100,000 is great if your ready for new employment ! Man , it's a tough choice .............. I was suprised at the lack of answers for critical questions . Caps on retirements and vtep's combined . If too many leagcy employees stay they will ruin the turnaround chance and sink the whole dream anyway . No solid facts about the real numbers bacause you must Decide by mid march . Timing really seems off with the decesion and the vote. They should be switched  and the real numbers revealed and the guess work would be gone and the decesions made a little easier based on facts of who's leaving and doing what ect... I Don't trust magna and never will but I feel the vote should be Yes to ratify and give it a chance even though all my heart says MAGNA is going to do us dirty anyway . Just my 2 cents . Bye

VOTE NO! VOTE NO!  And I approve this message.

at least Crysler didn't lie to us

Well I have read all comments and been to all meetings. I have been in that facility for 14 too long yrs . Please understand the workers not just me including Doug and others have gained and lost , sweated, froze ,slipped ,hurt ,cried ,work hard everday everyone (no exceprtions ).  they have lost family,( JOHN GEER). lost best friends gained  afew good friends and gained family even more. There is one thing that you havent seen or even heard weather on here or in the plant and thats respect to others . I understand what you don't that General Motors has bought this week Dailmer not Chrysler ,that Magna bought Plastec which filed bankruptcy. I don't know if you see what happened here .  They have once again lied and disrepected  not only Local 624& 2149 Union Officals but the menbers and their families. What options do we have, plenty Doug please you and your team put it together and DONT BACK DOWN THERE IS NO CLOSING> Its  wages and benefit busting company. We are just as tough and smarter how did I find this out. You know who this is and you know I'm right I got your back.. Remember the F-150 contract.

Here are the real reasons for voting one way or the other. Vote no if you believe they are going to close anyway. This would insure you get your wages and benefits because you are protected by the National Agreement. The same one that the union was telling you was a great contract. As a matter of fact they said it was a landmark agreement. I'll say. They got no raises for four years, layoffs, plant closings, capped vtep's, no work past current contracts. This contract we are looking at locally is beautiful. Oh wait. I mean beautifully setup. It took nine months to figure this out. But several days to make adjustments that helped swing most people to vote yes. Wow!!!!! Do you see what a little talk on the shop floor did to move them of their staunch position? They are using our tax dollars and our lost payroll to reshape this plant. While all the while they are swaying public opinion to make it look like the company and the union are coming in on a white horse to save the day. However the sacrifices are being made by you and only you. The union is still not going to work on the floor again. Too bad, they look like they need the exercise. OOPS the wellness center is gone too. The only things keeping Magna here is the money gained from your pay cuts and the money gained from the threat to State government of this closing. The last item being this landmark National Agreement that they are all too quick to give up on. Realize they still don't have any responsibility to NY State past an attempt to right the ship. They don't own the building that won't hinder them from leaving either. Funny they built the plant in Muncie anyway. Oh yeah! Lots of floor space there. The local and state governments gave them help too. And they put the X2T here. Could they do that to us? Why not. Free machinery from your wage concessions and government money. That would keep me here for a little while, til I find another desperate area.

NGREED took over NIMO & 60% of Local #79 worker are now gone.  You cannot trust multi-national companies. They are only interested in send $$ back to the homeland.

At least you do not have a CEO that has to be addressed as "SIR John" Parker.

I attended the meeting and came out of there much more optimistic than when I went in. I am glad that if I decide to go with Magna I am guaranteed that buy down money no matter what happens in the next four years. I know, I know, I can just feel the criticism as I write this that I shouldn't trust Magna. I am willing to give them a second chance especially when the other choices aren't all that appetizing  to me. I am OK with 20.16 an hour plus medical insurance etc, etc... For those of you that are at the mercy of an employer to find security in your life, you are missing this whole business of living. Can't you see that you and only you have control over your life? It's not the Government, employer, weather, or whatever else you may be dependent on, that has the answers, security and guarantee for you, only you know what's good for you. We knew this was coming for years now and yet from what I heard at the meeting a lot of people aren't prepared. Whose fault is that? Some of those questions didn't make sense to me. They want a big chunk of money up front from Magna to pay their bills and yet if we were getting Chrysler wages as it was supposed to be they would still be broke. I am voting yes, because that offers the best scenario for ALL concerned. God Bless!

hey at least an AMERICAN car WON the DAYTONA 500 ;o)  [Newman]

Say no your out of a 20 dollar hr job practice "you want fries with that " because to give up 20 hr your brain capacity can't hold much more than that! Take as much money that you can pay your bills down, this isn't rocket science, we knoew it was coming for 4 yrs.  You will adapt

yes we knew it was coming.......in 2011,not 2008 remember?

Geez, I remeber congel boasting $60000+ yr jobs, getting all kinds of politcal exposure, tax break, what the people and community need!!! Threw party's, got his people in paper yea haa'ing and smiles as big as can be cutting ribbons and cake. A friend left a steady job and was thrilled!!! Fast-foward very short future=== Sorry folk's, wally worlds closed. YIKES!!!! no protection- to the state program. Moral folks is don't take off that rubber(protection-international contract) while they are bending ya over or the results down the road will grow and show!!!!

why can't we get the 100grand. quit Chrysler and go right to work for MAGNA at the MAGNA wage and not do the 25grand. per year thing with out having to re-apply for a job at MAGNA? This I would consider.........DO IT ;o)

toinside, you are getting the equivalent of Chrysler wages until 2011 in the buy down money they are offering you so what' the problem? You my friend, will be in the same financial shape in 2011 as you are now, by your response it doesn't sound that you are good with money no matter how much you get.

Its seems strange that the people who were skeptical about the contract would not comment on the news 10 news interviews.Are people scared of what the union would do to them if they comment against them?If this is what happens at your plant for speaking your opinions you should throw them out of office,they are not suppose to retaliate against anyone!

to jack, no it's not the same,with magna there is no pension as with Chrysler, I know magna has 401K, so do I.Don't tell me about magna's profit sharing,that depends on sales and they say they are loosing millons every year. also re-read the contract notes,it's all dependent on future sales.this is a tuff choice for somone with almost 20 years in Chrysler,I will vote YES just to give others a chance to make a choice.

Dear HI...... MAGNA  DOES NOT HAVE 401k, YOU DO. MAGNA MIGHT MATCH 3% OF YOUR DONATION TOWARDS IT. NOT SURE THOUGH. I REALIZE THAT THE PENSION FROM CHRYSLER IS GONE FROM HERE ON END, BUT THE WAGES ARE ABOUT THE SAME AND THIS IS WHAT YOU WERE REFERRING TO IN YOUR PREVIOUS POST. MY FAMILY AND I THANKYOU FOR VOTING YES AND YOU CAN STILL CHOOSE TO STAY WITH CHRYSLER. GOOD LUCK AND GOD BLESS

chunk, I assure you that a lot of those union officials will not be there, after the next election!!!!

THIS IS TO ALL THE WIFE THAT THERE HUSBAND WORK FOR NVG IF YOU LADYES LET YOUR HUSBAND  VOTE YES TO THE CONTRACT YOU MITE AS WELL AS SIGN THER LIVES TO WORK 12 HOUERS A DAY 7 DAYES A WEEK TO MAKE UP FOR THE MONY THAT YOU ARE LOOSING IF YOU THINK THAT YOU DON’T SEE THEM KNOW KISS THEM GOOD BY BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT GOING TO SEE THEM IN THE FUTER AND YOUR KIDS WILL GROW UP WITH OUT A FATER AND A US WIFES WITH OUT A HUSBAND HOW LONG DO YOU THINK SHE IS GOING TO STICK AROUND FOR THAT.  I SET DOWN AND MADE OUT MY BUGET TO SEE IF WE CAN LIVE ON $20.61 AN HOUR AND THE ANSWER IS NO I SHAVED OFF SOME FAT AND I STILL CANT DO IT ( I WORK FULL TIME ) AND STILL CANT DO IT MY HUSBAND PAYES CHIELD SUPPORT DO YOU THINK THAT HIS EX-WIFE IS GOING TO TAKE LESS MONYE STILL HAVE KIDS IN COLLEGE DO YOU THINK THE COLLEGE IS GOING TO CHARGE ME LESS TO PAY FOR IT DO YOU THINK THAT WEGMANS PRICECHOOPER OR ANY OTHER GROCERY STORE IS GOING TO CHARGE ME LEESS FOR MILK THE ANSWER IS NO THEY ARE NOT THEY DO NOT CARE. BUT IF YOU VOTE NO AND THEY GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE FACTORY CHRYSLER STILL OWES YOU 30.00 AN HOUR UNTILL 2011 THAT IS IN THE CONTRACT. IF I HADE A VOTE MY VOTE WOULD BE NO NO NO NO NO NO LET THEM GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE FACTORY THEY ARE GOING TO ANY WAY NO MATER WHAT YOUR VOTE IS THEY ALREADY HAVE A FACTORY TO PUT YOUR MACHINES IN IT. TO JACK OF ALL TRADES GO AHEAD GIVE THEM A SECOND CHANCE AND WACH THEM F----U IN THE A---- ONE MORE TIME. AND JACK YOU ARE NOT GETTING THE EQUIVALENTOF CHRYSLER WAGES UNTIL 2011 IF YOU THINK THAT YOU ARE YOU ARE A FOOL THE UNION IS NOT WORKING FOR YOU THEY ARE WORKING FOR MEGNA ASK THE UNION IF THEY ARE TAKING A PAY CUT ASK THEM IF THEY ARE STILL GOING TO VAGES AT THE END OF THE MONTH ON YOU MONEY ASK THE CEO OF MEGNA IF THEY ARE TAKING A PAY CUT THE ANSWER TO THAT WOULD BE NO STAND UP FOR WHAT IS RIGHT FOR YOU DON’T LET THEM STICK IT TO YOU WE DO NOT LIVE IN A COMMUNIST COUNTRY. ALL OF YOU WIFE SITTING AT HOME HELP YOUR HUSBAND MAKE THE RIGHT DISETION NOT WHAT THE UNION WHANT’S THEM TO DO YOU ARE THE ONES THAT PAYING YOUR BILLES YOU WILL BE THE ONE TO TELL YOUR CHILDREN NO DADDY CAN’T EAT DINNER WITH YOU HE NEEDES TO GO TO WORK SOORRY YOUR DAD CAN’T KISS YOU GOOD NIGHT HE NEEDES TO WORK OVER TIME AND WHEN THERE IS NO OVER TIME YOU ARE THE ONE TO SAY SORRY CAN’T TAKE YOU TO SEE THAT MOVIES WE CAN NOT AFFORDED THEN WATCH THERE LITTLE FACES. GOOD LUCK TO ALL OF YOU THAT VOTE YES I AM TELLING MY HUSBAND TO VOTE NO AND TAKING THAT 100GRAND AND GO BACK TO SCHOOL AND FOR YOU PARENTES THAT HAVE CHILDREN UNDER THE AGE OFF 30 TELL THEM TO GO BACK TO SCHOOL NVG IS NOT GOING TO BE THER FOR THE REST OF THER LIVES.
DO NOT BACK DOWN STAND UP FOR WHAT IS YOUR AND WHAT YOU AND YOUR FAMILY HAVE GIVEN UP TO MAKE NVG WHAT IT IS TODAY.

DEAR  A WIFE
First of all you can't write,  so please ask one of your children to help you with grammar. By the way you sound, and insulting me by hoping "they F... in the A.." I can tell tou are not very stable. Your husband is probably happy to work all that overtime just to get away from you NAG, NAG, NAG. At 20.16 an hour I bet your husband will still make more money than you. He can stay with Chrysler remember? If you think Chrysler is going to be around as we know it, you are mistaken Dear A WIFE. Cerberus will take care of that, trust me. Good luck to your husband it sounds like he'll need it! Love and Peace

WOW ....A WIFE, please don't help your husband with his homework,just reading your story hurt my eyes.........the lack of SPELLING ouch.
I will say that if your family can do well on the 100 grand and your husband goes back to school that's good. But he has to vote yes to get that option.
                   Have  A NICE DAY :o)

to jack, WE lost the Chrysler 401K when Magna came in......Remember, and it was not a choice for us,they Magna just took over and then we couldn't put money into the Chrysler 401K any more. The Magna 401K sucks,you don't have the choices as in the Chrysler one.

Dear Hi, the Chrysler 401K sucks as well, in the past 6 months I lost 30.000. I kept mine in there and it still is as a matter of fact, if I 'am smart I have to roll it over to an IRA. Good Luck

jack....at least you get to move your Chrysler 401K around to differnt stocks

To: a wife, Don't worry you'll see plenty of your husband, you don't get it ,there will be no overtime because there's no work in the plant.  And I don't think anymore is coming with this depressed economy.

Jack: Magna contributes Nothing to 401k

To Wife, are you kidding me first of all where do you work, don't they have spell check there? You should be thankful that they are giving them the option. Where are they going to go and make 20.16 an hour in Syracuse or anywhere around here? There are a lot of people who do work there and can make it on that rate. Maybe some of the other wifes need to go and find a job and help their husband out for a change. When the husband doesn't have overtime you wifes seem to have a big problem with that, you leach off of them. If you have your husband vote "NO" then who will pay the bills at least he has the option of still working unlike some people that live here. Carrier, GM, Miller Brewery, Nestle. I hope you get the picture.
I really hope that the contract gets passed if it doesn't then I hope you can sleep with yourself and explain to your kids why it didn't.  I don't my future in your hands.

Co-workers and Friends
Hi... It's true that I can move my stocks around, but obviously it didn't work in my favor, this year. I keep thinking long term.
yo...Thank you for the info on the 401K from Magna, it's too bad for us, they don't match anything.
I'm voting yes, because in my heart that is the better way to go, however everyone should do some soul searching and vote whichever way they feel inclined to do. All I ask is that whichever way you vote, vote with your Heart not your head!!! Good luck to all

Is the writing on the wall,  I think some leaders on both sides are standing in front of it, not letting us see the full picture.  Believe it or not, we still aren't getting questions answered and have to keep asking redundant questions because each leader has a different answer.  Maybe Verizon's good news is opening up the out door.  They're union, bet everyone in Syracuse who puts us union folks down, wants to jump on that bandwagon.  Magna isn't the only game in town, people.  We need to let them know.  This doesn't mean I want you to vote no, just that there are always ways to succeed and hey when it comes down to it, you got to do what you got to do to feed the family and get by.  God Bless our union, our military, and our country!

Magna gives 3% of your first 6% and thats it. But better than nothing. I took my Chrysler 401 and rolled it over into an IRA. I don't want a company I don't work for handling my money. I'll do the same when Magna leaves also. Crazys right familys first so sell the $100,000 boat and think of the wife and kids. Except for Awife there is some major malfunctions there!

Inside, only if your full time magna. As of right now, they match NOTHING!

To all you NPG employees, I would like to let you how good you have it there. I am a woman with a 4 year college degree and it has not been helpful in getting me a decent job around CNY like you people have there. I am glad for all of you, I just wish I could find an employer that's willing to pay me 20 some what dollars an hour plus health benefits and some kind of bonus to stay. I've applied there, but they put hiring on hold, I'll keep trying.

On the outside... I'm assuming you have a job now, but not a "good" one, Right? Wow, with a four year degree one would think you would be all set. Of course you don't say what kind of degree it is, so I can't comment any further. Thank you though for the kind words, I for one, am grateful to have a job here at NPG unfortunately some of my co-workers don't feel that way. Some of us are destined to learn the hard way I guess. Life goes on!!!

$20.00 0r nothing, Let me ask my 6 year old. He takes the 20 bucks. Come on

jones8460, I ask chinamen, $1.00 a day or nothing. He take $1.00, Come on