if the employees take a buy out will they be able to work for Magna at a reduced pay rate?

PLEASE POST THE HANDBILL FROM THE UNION. THANKS

whats going on?

Can anyone tell me if the Magna employees out on lay-off are going to be included in the voting of the new contract. Every union official has a different answer. Thanks

If NVG satys open, its been some real good news for the area. After losing jobs from Penney Curtis for starters

What about the families that took a transfer to Illinois - they were told they would have to choose between Chrysler and Magna.  They weren't told that they could stay at NPG AND get a "buy-down" bonus.  Do they have the option to return?  It kinda seems like those families have been forgotten.  

I just wanted to thank the people at WSYR 9 for keeping up with all of this.I am on layoff and I am getting more info from you people than I am with the Union.

What's the difference between a Buyout and a Buydown for the employees who now have 30 years or more with Chrysler. Is there a certain amount of time they have before they have to leave the plant?

hey Stan,if you have the chance do the 30 and out,you may never get the chance again,you get 70grand,full bennies,and a pension for life, go buy a boat and enjoy life ;o)

magna employees on layoff can vote, but when you hear that legacy employees that chose to flow back to chrysler still have seniority and you are still the first to be laid off you won't be happy.  also Magna is only guaranteeing 1800 jobs (production, salary, front offices) we currently have 2700 as that total so 900 jobs will be lost.  and the magna hires currently laid off will probably stay laid off.  plus magna is most likely only going to pay the first 25k of the buy down agreement then leave syracuse when they have other facilities tooled up.  If magna was really committed to syracuse they would give us the buy down up front.

A buy down is to stay with magna and get the installment plan, a buyout is 70K for those eligible to retire to retire.  a VTEP is 100k to say bye bye to chrysler and magna.

1800 employees is the minimum number that Magna has agreed to. There is new business coming into the plant and with all of the retirements and transfers the laid off workers will have an opportunity to come back. Magna has promised on paper to 40 million in investment, I doubt they will just walk away. The bottom line is that this is a chance for the workers who want to stay here to have a future in Syracuse. Let's face it, there are no other good paying jobs like this in the area. They are lucky to have a chance.

bentover is right!!! how much you wanna bet that workingman is one of our union officials selling this "great" contract to us!  bull *** they owe us this money and it should be a lump sum up front  so the wont lay me off april 2nd! good luck cause we are gonna need it   sounds a lot like the last contract where magna promised us the world and look where we are now!

last contract the sale of nvg to magna, approve sale to keep the plant open, go to a chrysler day rate shop with no more incentive pay, magna to invest what 75 million, pay us chrysler negotaited wages and benefits thru the next contract. lets see, we agreed to the sale, took the day rate, lost incentive pay, magna painted and replaced light bulbs and now not negotiated wages and benefits. WHO'S taking it in the *** this time .... the workers

I'm not surprised to hear these whiners complaining about the tentative agrement reached recently between the UAW and Magna, ingrates, to put it mildly. These individuals have choices that most people on the outside would kill for. Don't they realize that if they're not happy at NPG one of the options is to simply leave and collect $100,000.00? Why stay around whining and complaining. We that intend to stay will be better off without all that negative energy that you exert.

Why does state and federal goverment has to step in bailout a canadian company? Magna has promised  legecy wages and should up hold there promise. Union body should not trust Magna again.  Please consider all options before voting on this contract. We all know that Magna is out sourcing overseas and will continue to do so. United we stand divided we fall. Union officials did not listen to the people on the floor about  becoming  facilitors and leaving there elected positions.  When voting think of what happened in the past and what could happen in the future.

Nothing is GARANTEED, but magna has now proven itself to pull back on deals!!  They've changed nothing but the lives of over 2700 employees and families.  NO, there are no good paying jobs in Syracuse and why give up those outside Syracuse?  Because for most of us (wives, kids, parents, and friends of those that'll be effected) we want life to remain as is...HERE!! And all we can do now is gamble on the outcome of the next 3 years!  If we stay, WILL magna pull threw, and if we go, DID magna pull threw!  How sad that you all must lie awake at night thinking of it.  I know my husband DOES!!!  Why, because magna has failed to keep faith and hope in them.

come to think of it,  take the buy down and the 20.16 an hour and we become the biggest April fools on the first of april!

What's the purpose of posting someones wages to the public.  It's none of no one's business and with all the privacy laws in effect today I can't believe the union would post this information. Hey, let's post the wages and bonuses of all the executives.    Are they taking a 33% pay cut?  Are they lowering the cost of their product to the consumer -  doubtful.  All that this pay cut is going to do is line the pockets of the executives with bigger bonuses.   If this is such a good wage, why don't they reduce their wages to $20.00 an hour and live thier current lifestyle on that?  I guess I don't understand why so many people are ranting and raving about these people making even $29.00 an hour - when you take your car into get repaired they charge at least $60.00 an hour, what's your plumber charging you, how about an electrician - I don't hear anyone raising holy hell about their wages.   Let's face it - the cost of living today with increase fuel prices that have a ripple effect on everything else - $20.00 an hour is crap!  You can't make a decent living on that and pay your mortgage and outrageous property tax bills.   Just another low paying for job for Central New York!    Good luck to all the employees at Magna but don't forget Carrier and how they got screwed by the company.  They are all a bunch of liars!

the posting of our wages seems to fuel the area's thinking that we are all wealthy people. i know that i sure struggle to get by with two kids in college. i sure don't own a boat, snowmobile or a summer camp. the only other people that have their salaries published are the higher ups at medical insurance companies and s.u coaches. i'm certainly are not in their earning range. what i make per hour shouldn't be of anyone concern but mine!!

First of all let me just say yes its a good thing if Magna is really going to stick around but whos to say they are not lying again and for the paycut for what these workers do what a joke its not a desk job..These workers work 6-7 days a week miss family functions, kids games, birthday parties, not to mention working with cancerous materials..hmmmm.!!! Our family members were promised one thing back in September and then another now.. Hard to know what the right decision is for the workers should they stay or go..?? But for the record i would like to let everyone know that NVG workers (well as we all know now) don't make a million dollars a year.. If this was the case i would not be working a fulltime job ..Everyone had this misconception that Chrysler wives don't work and they have 300,000 houses maybe back in 1980 but it sure ain't now.. Two incomes are what it takes to survive in this economy and now its just going to be harder on everyone .. People need to stop hatin on these workers and support your American jobs ...people are ignorant and stupid... And as far as posting their wages who the hells business is it.. Should we post all our wages out there so everyone can see thats noones business but the people affected.. Who needs their friends, family, co-workers knowing what your spouse makes.. Just wonderful....!!!!! I hope that everything works out for these poor workers and families theres nothing left in Syracuse this is why people leave. Its hard enough in everyday life to have to try and survive then to have your job constantly over your head pretty sickening.. To all the supporters thank you and keep it coming for all you idiots/haters stop wishing bad on others its called KARMA!!!

What a COMPLETE JOKE!!  The UAW could not give two hoots what is going to happen....since....uh....in a few years, at Magna....there will BE NO UNION!  

Magna is NOT going to stick around Syracuse....for WHAT?  Tax Relief?  The DESTINY shopping Center that people don't have money to shop at?  

Come on folks.............take the $100K and get the HELL out.  Magna is not going to give us anything.....The BIG THREE are on their continuing sprial DOWN.....take a look at the BIG picture..........AMERICA............

Best bet...........take their $100K and go to work for TOYOTA....and NOT in a New York Plant!

Best wishes to all.............hope the Vote goes like it should.........tell 'em to shove it!

Hey...........Mr. BENTOVER...........you KNOW what's happening...............

WANT TO RUN FOR OUR UNION REP????????????   LMAO!

The UAW did what they could. However any one with any brains should turn their brains on and not stand behind a stuipd union and get an education and get a great job whih out a damn union to prompt their stupidudy.

This so called "great contract" is the biggest bunch of **** there is.

As some of you mentioned that the Magna's employees who are being laid-off can vote on this contract. Is it true? I thought the new contract is only for legacy employees to vote for. For those of you who gonna stay with Magna, start thinking and figuring out how to spend your paychecks wisely because it's gonna be tough for you and your family. With the way the economy is, I wish I will get a call back soon so I can work again with low wage so I can support my family.

I work there now and have 15yrs. I don't trust Magna any more than you people but how long will 100,000 last before the bank wants to forclose on your house and your kids can't eat and you end up working for Micky D's. I'm not taking a position until I see whats on paper Sun. at our meeting. Find a job around here for 20.00 per hr. I'll ride the horse till it dies.... if they close at least I got 25,000 out of them!

its nobody's business what we make...noones paying my bills but me...

For you laid-off people we were told that the people that stay with Chrysler will be laid off before Magna employees. Some people need to think with their heads and not their pockets!!!!!!!

This is why Democrats do not work ( TAX TAX and spend ) this is why . People that are against the workers @ NPG are  jealous . They drive jap cars and say american workers are lazy ! (teachers,civil sevice workers) WHAT ARE THEY ? Teachers-work 7 months a year-paid by tax payer.   Veterans-have american flag stickers on jap cars ????? What happen to we will never forget. (japs attack pearl harbor) . The problem is everone forgot about the GREAT Depression era. There is no pride in MADE IN AMERICA. WE ARE THE REASON for econemy slow down, We buy china made, jap made, and do not think there will be any reprecution, WRONG. Housing slump- american people again made this happen . NOT YOUR GOVERMENT. people bought homes they new they could not afford and they did not read the contract before we bought a home. NOW the tax payer has to bail them out ! screw these people. what ever happen to fixing your own problems, Goverment is not the answer to our problems (Hillary-Obama) Goverment is the problem....................... iN NO way do i stick up for NPG workers, they were lazy in the 70's and 80's , but know The american made cars are just as good if not better than jap cars, Chrysler even has abetter warrenty than jap cars. Now people will say "My jap car is made in usa" yes you are right some are made here .  Reason you may help your Uncle Bob if he's on Toyota's payroll, but you're hurting Uncle Sam since American companies pay about three times as many taxes to the U.S. Treasury as do foreign-owned companies.
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I dont even no why I bother NYers like goverment -High welfare-high property taxes-high teachers pay-. GOOD LUCK

I am not directly involved, nephew is engineer there, he sure wants plant and what is left of syracuse to prosper. (I told him nothing left but taxes and nice lakes.) Former powerhouse. I like visiting the area. Close the plant and he probably leaves and I dont get to go back.

He would replace his job, at a higher pay. Might take 3-6 months though.

Hate to think of people making $0 an hour not working when they could make $20 plus OT plus benefits. The payment gives you time to adapt.

Political angle I have is, I dont share that people own their job, I am not union.  I have work-at-will desk job and keep on my toes every minute.  Chinese are building up manufacturing capacity faster than we can tear it down so keep the $20 hour job stateside. Also it is too bad USA has always had this attraction to moving industry to chase cheap labor (I know Magna is Canada).

Thats my $0.02 opinion. I hope it works out.  

Not to worry, if your a legacy or a Magna employee (pawns), we'll all be cheated fairly.  But Frank the head of Magna only got $43,000,000 last year.  We he be taking a pay cut?

Whine Whine, that is all you Union people do.  Your idea of a job is to hide behind a Union and get lots of money and do crap for work.

I have to admit  being told that your worth for a company is not the present wage your getting is basically a slap in the face, but i have come to realize is i should have been learning a new skill a long time ago when Chrysler left.  Better late than never i guess.  So Im going to vote Yes and go learn a new trade and get of this line of work. Just hope you'll do the same.

   I don't feel bad for these people.   They have known since 2003 that this was coming.    If they chose not to prepare for it it's their fault.    You could have had a degree by now using Chrysler's T.A.P. program.
   Chrysler, not Magna, is being underhanded.   If you decide to stay with Magna, Chrysler gives you nothing.   I think you should still be eligible for their VTEP
or retirement package and still continue on with Magna if you so desire.   What is it
to Chrysler who you choose to work for when you leave them?    
   Let's face it folks....union or no union, big business could care less about you.
You have to take responsibility for yourself.

It would have been nice if the union had informed its membership that the 100K is taxed at 44%..That puts a whole different light on the options.  The buyout is taxed as a gift, give me a break.

I dont like the fact that I have to take a pay cut in order to keep my job but if it  has to be that way, so be it!  I rather have the security of a pay check coming to me each week than let Magna close the doors if we say no.  

I don't know why you would think that the 100k wouldn't be taxed. You live NY buddy almost everything you get or have will be taxed by this state.  Great place to live huh?

Of course it's taxed.  But to tax it at the highest possible "gift" tax bracket it's absurd. Of course Magna wants their laid off employees to vote, they know they'll vote to approve the contract, talk about helping to stack the deck.  For those who spew the hatred and jealousy on these workers , shame on you.  Its not that they make to much money ,you don't make enough.  Your envy shows.

Your buyout check is taxed as follows 25 percent federal-8 percent state and approx 7 percent for F.I.C.A. At the end of the year you will get quite a bit back,Being taxed at 25 percent federal will help yur tax return in 2009 when u file.

WOW! Everyone has a crystal ball and KNOWS what Magna will do.  With all that insider information it should be easy to make a decision what to do. Me and my family will go to the information meeting, listen to the facts and decide what's best for us. I feel thankful that we have a Union Bargaining Committee to put up with these complicated negotiations. I'm sure much undue strain was put upon both sides during these talks. I just looked down at my legs and once again I see there are still no chains  holding me to the floor. I am still a free American, I will vote for whom I please, worship in the place of my choice, and work where and for whom I want, when I want. If you refuse to master of your own destiny be prepared to live the life someone else hands you.

All the Whiners, you were warned. I saw the light 4 years ago. Chrysler wages till 2011, NOT !! Oh, but you would argue. I win !!

I knew it was coming and paid off what I wanted to keep. I knew the job at NPG was a gift. I'm glad I have the three options and I'm leaning toward the $100K buyout. Even after tax's I'll have the house paid off, and change!

I'm voting yes!! Better to have $20 per hour than $0.
Or, you can show them and vote NO!  That should work really well for you.

If you can't live on $20, quit!! Go get $30 somewhere else !!
I'm sure most of the whiners are skilled button pushers or screw turners. You can go anywhere you want.

I'm a tradesman and I didn't learn it there. That place is a joke. What a bunch of slugs !
I'm glad to leave and i'd be real happy if I find another $20 per hour job in this wonderful State.

Oh Well, Fastrac here I come, Thank you come again!

Oh Well is right!  If you can't deal with being paid $20 an hr, go ahead and quit!!  I know I can deal with that pay.  My vote is Yes to the contract.

Oh well and worker... i'm behind you both as I said before "ride the horse till it dies" and a 20 $ hr horse is better than "you want fries with that" I'm voting yes!!!!!

I'm glad to see that there is a few people showing that they will vote yes.  Your right "Inside" what Magna is offering is better than no money when they close up.  For the people leaning towards No to the contract need to swallow their pride At least give yourself more time to try to find a better paying job if you can.  I hope my fellow union brothers and sisters will do the smart thing and vote yes

So, yes, you would keep your job at a lower wage.  That is not really the issue.  How about benefits?  Magna paying for them like Chrysler does?  And, if you do not work 1000 hours, you will not receive your $25K bonus each April.....so, is Magna guaranteeing that you will be working 1000 each year...or conveniently lay you off so you are just under, and lose your $25K?  

Even if you all vote yes.....Magna will close in the next few years.  They have already shown they can't be trusted.  And the way Syracuse and the USA are faultering, Magna will surely close.

And a message to JOE:    TRY to FIND something....ANYTHING...that is Made In America!!!!!!!!!

Best Wishes to all.........whatever happens.

And my understanding is that MAGNA employees get laid off BEFORE Chrysler employees.  Chrysler employees get the unemployment differential, and Magna employees do not.  

You KNOW the vote will go through as a YES even before the vote!  

I just hope that the state realizes, magna has gone back on there word once about the gaurenteed wages til 2011.I am not happy that the state (taxpayers) has to bail out this profitable canadian company.I think the state should put a lean on all there new equipment,so they cannot up and leave in a year or so and take there stuff to another country and leave the taxpayers with another empty building.yes they have invested in not just light bulbs and new paint but a nice new slippery floor and five new machines three of them that are down more than the old ones.Can I have the gaurentee in writting this time?magnas offer does look good but can we trust them????

Please fellow workers let's look at this rationally. First of all, I totally understand why the majority of the coworkers I come in contact with, can not trust Magna's envisioned  plan for the next 4 years. It's quite obvious why they would feel that way especially knowing that Magna reneged on the promises they made 4 years ago. By the way, I'm a little leery myself. However let's look  at the scenario with an open mind. They are willing to compensate us for the loss in wages over the next 4 years, they have declared publicly that they will invest at least 40 million dollars - I think it will be a lot more than that, personally- so one has to assume that only an idiot would walk way from a 40 million dollar investement, so based on that information I  have to give them a second chance. I hope you'll think about it and then make your choice. I'm voting yes, because there are a lot of people that will be affected negatively if it's voted down and sometimes we should think of other's welfare as well, especially when we 're still getting a decent deal. Whichever option you select good luck to you!

Pleaze people chek your speling before you post an opinion, I don't want the general pubic to think I work with a bunch of ill-irate people!!! Thankx

I am voting YES.

Even if we have written gaurantees, MAGNA could still pull out and get out of paying us.  Let's give the 624 and 2149 bargaining committees a little respect, I think late in the game here they have done an outstanding job, especially with securing money from the government.  Nothing is EVER gauranteed in life, and I feel that we are in a better position then we were 2 months ago.  As a minimum we as UAW workers should show solidarity right now and wait until Sunday and Monday to see the highlights of the agreement before we make up our minds.   Let's pray that we have job security over the next few years for ourselves and our families. I personally love living in CNY.  Let us not forget all those laid off as well (on unemployment) that have a lot riding on this contract.  

Respectfully,
2149 member

I am a npg employee with 15 years seniority . I have never seen such ungratefulness in my life . You people all had a chance to stay with Chrysler 4 years ago . There have been numerous buyouts ( VTEPS ) in the last 7years or so .So you all knew back then or should have that $30/hr. would not last forever . How many company's pay for you to quit ? How many companies give you an oppurtunity to work for $20/hr. and benefits in NY . People wake up , this is still the best ticket in CNY . If it does not last your negative attitudes are not going to help either .

ok, heres the real scoop on why this contract is being shoved down our throats: after neil falcone retires dougie will slide right in to that position at $113,000 per year: jim begay will jump ship and be an engineer and a member of local 2149 who is still going to get their wages. george will be our next president and it is  already panning out. local general election in june people. wake up and realize union officials have already plotted their next move.

***  YOU ARE SMOKING SOME BAD CRACK, please get a new dealer!!!

okay folks i did go sunday to the meeting and i actually walked in thinking i was going to vote yes . but now i truly believe that magna will not be here anyway and if we vote yes we close under them and get nothing . if you are all worried about your families you would do the logical thing and vote no so this does'nt pass . there are too many benefits to throw away under a CHRYSLER closure . money , schooling,job banks and future buyouts from your pension benefits . do the smart thing and vote no . this plant is going to close so let chrysler determine your fate not magna . another thing is why are your untrusted management team and union officials all pushing for a yes . something very shady is going on here . don't trust anyone people . you say a yes vote benefits everyone ... a no vote benefits everyone too . whats wrong with everyone getting an education and buyout money when a plant closes under CHRYSLER ?? also who says we can't force them back to the bargaining table ?? the trusted union officials ?? no way i'm playing their game .. take matters into your own hand . by the way if we vote no you will still keep your current wages and add time to your pension for the next two years it will take for them to leave . close under magna get nothing but a so called $87,500 ( highly doubt ) ...close under CHRYSLER get alot more . think before you vote ..PLEASE

TO ALL OPEN MINDED AND NOT PARANOID CO-WORKERS:
VOTE YES YES YES FOR LONG TERM SOLUTION
VOTE NO NO NO FOR SHORT TERM SOLUTION
ITS THAT SIMPLE

it's funny several people have told me that friday before the big meeting , doug havens had told them if they voted it down that the bargaining committee would go back to the table to negotiate . looks like he lied 2 days later . you have the power people not magna , not the union officials ... YOU !!! YOU say no and watch how fast they find a way to make you happy . so what if magna leaves ... more money from Chrysler . VOTE NO ... IT'S THE BEST OPTION !!!

Yeah, I was told working in an auto plant was a sure way to wealth and stardom when I started at NPG 29 years ago. I've been through seven administrations (Union), some I liked some I didn't. I've seen the plant about to close for good three times. Did I mention I left paying jobs with benefits to come back from indefinite layoffs three times? You can name -call, be jealous, be hateful, spiteful, whatever.
When the smoke clears ...we're all just people tryig to get by. I really don't care who moves where and makes a gizillion dollars . Good for them. I care if my friend and neighbors and relatives have a job and are able to live a meaningful life. Living well is not based on dollars alone. I have friends that live well on less than $10 an hour. I did, and will again and I'll live well. It's in your heart and attiiude not your wallet. I'll vote yes for my family, my neighbors and my community. Vote however your heart tell you to. Just do it for the right reasons. Good Luck Everyone.

TO workerbee... Amen to that!!! My name is XT2JAS and I approve that message.