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Two F-M Teens Killed in Crash

   

Kevin Goich

Joshua Davis

Two teenagers riding in an SUV fell 40-feet off a cliff into the Kinsella Quarry in the Town of Manlius. The plunge killed both the teenage driver and his teenage passenger, sheriff’s investigators said.

Onondaga County Sheriff Kevin Walsh identified the driver killed as 17-year-old Joshua Davis of 4963 Tall Oaks Drive, Fayetteville. The passenger, 18-year-old Kevin B. Goich, Jr. of 7700 Farley Lane, Manlius was taken to University Hospital, but later died.

Rescue crews arrived at the corner of Salt Springs Road and Townsend Road near the quarry around 12:30 am Tuesday. The county’s helicopter helped crews spot the SUV, which landed on its roof.

The parents of one of the boys told investigators they hadn’t seen their son since 10 am Monday. They became nervous when he didn’t return home Monday afternoon. By Monday evening, investigators traced one of the boy’s cell phones to the area of the quarry. Using satellite technology, investigators determined the cell phone had been stationary since 3 p.m.

Onondaga County Sheriff Kevin Walsh says the boys likely left the main road shortly before 3 pm to go “off-roading” in the SUV. Deputies believe the boys were familiar with the area, but didn’t realize the landscape recently changed. Quarry workers recently blasted stone, creating the 40-foot drop, deputies said.

Jim Chupaila, the Principal for Fayetteville-Manlius High School says members of the senior class have been notified. He says many of the students had already heard about the deaths through various sources. The principal says the senior class is a close-knit group of kids, and has been taking the loss especially hard.

Chupaila says the teens “were good students” who were involved in volunteer activities and clubs in and out of the high school. The school has counselors available to all students. The principal says the school is trying to keep things as normal as possible, but teachers are being flexible with the students, allowing them to be with friends if needed. Students have been allowed, with parental permission, to leave school. The principal says many in the senior class have been visiting the crash site, but is asking everyone to stay away from the location at the time since it is an active scene.

Please leave your thoughts about the teens here. We ask that you keep your remarks positive. A healthy discussion is great, but please refrain from making any "attacking" comments.

Watch Licence to Live, our half-hour special aimed at reducing the number of teen driving accidents.

Published Tuesday, May 01, 2007 12:55 PM by shaunganley

Comments

 

Debbie Peck said:

Lori & louis my thoughts and prayers are with you now and forever.
May 1, 2007 1:28 PM
 

Vicki Fleming said:

So sad.  Such loss.  So quick.  We are praying for you all.
May 1, 2007 1:34 PM
 

Tracy Bach said:

I have a son their age and it just makes my heart ache.  Please take comfort knowing that our prayers are with you.
May 1, 2007 1:54 PM
 

Katrina said:

I went to the same school as these boys... i didnt really know them but I still cried as I walked through school that day.  It brought back memories from when my best friend Laura Janson was killed in a car crash.  But i just want to the parents to know that my prayers are with them and I know God will help you and Josh and Kevin's friends through this time of sadness.
May 1, 2007 2:18 PM
 

observer said:

One has to ask.  What were "good kids" doing cutting school and trespassing on private property.
May 1, 2007 2:32 PM
 

Parent said:

Parents have to start taking control of kids.  Giving teenage boys a 4 wheel drive $30,000+vehicle is asking for heartache.  Give them a 1990 Dodge......drive like old ladies.....  Insurance rates will go down and this would not happen.
May 1, 2007 2:40 PM
 

mother said:

"Good kids" can do stupid things like cut school and trespass on private property.  They are teenage boys and that says it all.
May 1, 2007 2:42 PM
 

Kim said:

To "observer"------  Is it relevant?  What good does it do to bring that up?  This is a tragedy.  My thoughts and prayers are with both families and the kids who have lost their friends.  Take Care.
May 1, 2007 2:43 PM
 

IN SHOCK said:

Prayers and hugs to the 2 families... why would people comment on the kind of car and anything else... just offer your condolences let these 2 fine young men be at peace... the friends and families left behind need to be helped through this hard time.  It could have just as easily happened in an old beat up car or van... it happened now we need to help each other through this.  

May 1, 2007 2:51 PM
 

Could Happen in any car said:

I do not think that the amount of money the vehicle costs has anything to do with this! This tragedy could have happened in that 1990 vehicle as well.
May 1, 2007 3:04 PM
 

dasani said:

This is a real tragedy.  Observer and Parent should be ashamed of themselves for using this media format as place to prove their lack of social integration and idiocracy.  Show some respect for your fellow humans.  God bless those kids and their families.
May 1, 2007 3:07 PM
 

oh well said:

just another story of rich kids fooling around in the nice car mommy and daddy bout them...just like the kids in skaneateles with the ferrari...maybe these parents will open up their eyes
May 1, 2007 3:14 PM
 

Anonymous Coward said:

Well... the type of vehicle did play some role in this tragedy. A vehicle with a reasonably significant ground clearance was required to make it to the accident site.

That being said... this is a terrible tragedy, and passing judgment at this point is not helpful. Perhaps there is "blame" to be had... if there is, it's important to deal with it in a healthy way, and separate it from the grieving process for now.
May 1, 2007 3:17 PM
 

Parent2 said:

I am sure everyone agrees this is tragic.  There could have been more kids in the vehicle.  Lucky there was not.  Let's put a stronger parental hold on our kids  I agree.
May 1, 2007 3:23 PM
 

Jaquig said:

Oh well you should be ashamed of yourself for such comments.  My thoughts and prayers are with both of the families.  
May 1, 2007 3:24 PM
 

parent said:

I have a young son and my heart goes out to the parents and friends, family of these children. I am so sorry about your loss and don't let these incompetent jerks bother you about expensive cars or other b. s. that absolutely does not matter at this time of loss and sorrow. My thoughts and prayers are with you all I could not imagine looseing my child. God bless you all.
May 1, 2007 3:50 PM
 

shock said:

This is a tradegy for everyone at Fayetteville Manlius High School and it has nothing to do with what kind of car the kids were driving, how rich they were or anything like that. These boys were great kids and they will be missed a lot. Unless you attend Fayetteville Manlius  High School you have NO IDEA what everyone is going through. These boys were friends with everyone and they were truly great people. Everyone would appreciate it if people stopped making comments about money and cars because that is totally unrelated. Our prayers and thoughts are with their families through out this hard time.
May 1, 2007 3:59 PM
 

P Burgess said:

My Family's thoughts and prayers go out to both Families . I coached Kevin in Little League baseball and watched his sister  play Basketball at F-M with my daughter . This has nothing to do with the upbringing of these two young men both showed respect to others and got along well with the others in there school . This is a terrible tragedy for the area of Manlius and the FM district but with the help from others in the area the parents and young men and young ladies who knew them will heal in time but they will never be forgotten  R. I .P  to both
May 1, 2007 4:20 PM
 

Wow said:

This is ridiculous, bringing money and wealth into such a tragic event.  Two young men who had bright futures lost their lives, don't bring money or wealth into the story.  The fact is the families and friends of these individuals are facing extremely tough times and need our prayers and best wishes.  God Bless those impacted by this event and RIP Kevin and Josh.
May 1, 2007 4:34 PM
 

STUDENT/FRIEND said:

First of all as a student at FM High School, I can tell you they weren't cutting class because school ends at 2:06. Second of all it is a matter of fact that they were great kids, and people have no right to criticize them because of their character, where they were from, or how much money they spent on a vehichle. I can't believe that people would even have the thought of criticizing two amazing teenagers with such an amazing future and potential. People shouldn't be trying to profit off of this tradegy. Think of others and what their families are going through. You have no idea what they are going through, and you should have nothing but respect and thoughtful prayers for them. Don't stereotype people based on their surrounding community or their age. It could have happened to one of your loved ones and I know you wouldn't want people to be pointing out potential faults of the victims during some of the hardest times.

RIP Josh Davis and Kevin Goich
May 1, 2007 4:37 PM
 

Maureen said:

I worked with Kevin and he was a truly good hearted, polite, caring person.  Always had a kind word to say.  His smile could light a room.

My prayers go out to the Davis and Goich families, May the Lord embrace you in your time of sorrow, and may you take comfort in knowing your children were very well liked and an asset the the community.

They will sorely be missed
God Bless
May 1, 2007 4:44 PM
 

CBA said:

This not only affects the F-M community but the surrounding schools.  CBA is feeling the pain too tonight and we feel for the F-M community. Everyone is mourning the loss of these two seniors so close to graduation and what they could have become.  When it gets this close to the end of the year seniors get crazy and this is not an excuse but a contributing factor and until something like this happens teens seem to think that they are invinsible.  The prayers of the CBA community are with the F-M community tonight and in the days ahead.
May 1, 2007 5:13 PM
 

a student said:

I am a student at FM High School, and i can tell you that the impact of the death of them was great, almost all seniors left, teachers crying, and the main hallway that is always noisy was so quite that you could hear a pin dropping. It was a difficult day and this day will always be remebered at FM High School.
May 1, 2007 5:15 PM
 

huh said:

OK, so here are my thoughts. Yes, it was tragic and it is a loss for the parents and friends, possibly the world, but I do not understand why so much attention was placed on these two kids.

They made a conscience decision to go off road and act recklessly and made a severe error in judgment. When not very long ago, and even more recently, there were young black kids shot in the city and they got very little attention from the media. As a matter of fact, those inner city black children were merely a passing story for the media.

When two white kids die from the east side, yes I live in Fayetteville, the media is making this a focal point story. As sad as it is that these kids died it is more sad that more emphasis was placed on their lives versus minorities in the city.
May 1, 2007 5:16 PM
 

Scott K. said:

I am a classmate of both Josh and Kevin and I know that they were both great people. My thoughts and prayers go out to them and their families and closest friends. To all those who have tried to put the blame on certain people for this tragedy it pains me to see people stoop that low, you should be ashamed of yourselves. Again, my thoughts and prayers go out to Josh, Kevin, and their families and friends.
RIP Josh Davis and Kevin Goich, you will always be remembered and missed.
May 1, 2007 5:39 PM
 

Enough said:

Here We Go Agian Two Kids With No Parental Control I Totaly Agree With "Parent" And "OH Well" Parents Need Too Plug In Their Brain .Also "huh" Hit The Nail On The Head.God Bless Them.
May 1, 2007 5:49 PM
 

Friends said:

Laurie, Louis, Steven, and the Goich family, are thoughts are with you, may God bless you and help you  get through this difficult time.  Know that you are not alone, a community mourns with you and for you. Perhaps in some small way this tragedy will shed some light into the minds of other teens and you can take small solice in that it may save another life someday in the future.
May 1, 2007 5:53 PM
 

Pam Levine said:

Our thoughts and prayers are with both families. These were wonderful, kind young men. As a mom and a former F-M parent, my heart aches for the parents, siblings and the entire community.
May 1, 2007 5:59 PM
 

Smoky said:

My family & I want to give our deepest sympathy to the Davis & Goich family.
May 1, 2007 6:14 PM
 

FM Senior Mom said:

This morning's news caught my breath and brought tears to my eyes.  My son is a friend of the two boys who lost their lives in this terrible tragedy and I know both families.  I have seen first hand how involved these parents were with their children's lives and how they always strove to instill good values and experiences in their children's worlds.  I've been at many basketball games, lax games and a Prom dinner with these parents; their love and concern was always evident.  I also know the delicate balance we as parents try to achieve with our almost adult children.  We know that they are spreading their wings and readying to fly, yet we also wish that we could still keep a watchful eye on them always.  The truth is, we can't.  An error in judgement is a common occurrence, and is not unique; remember back to when you were their age.  Kevin and Josh were bright lights with much to live for and much to give.  I can not imagine the grief that their parents and families are feeling right now.  Please keep your judgements and criticisms to yourselves and pull down the shades on your glass houses - may such a tragic event never touch you so personally.  May God hold Kevin and Josh in His hands and bring some comfort to his grieving family and friends.  
May 1, 2007 6:26 PM
 

professorkev said:

Yes, these kids made a stupid mistake, yes these kids come from financially secure (so it seems) families, yes they drove a nice SUV, BUT  NO WAY did they deserve such a tragic death at such a young age. Accidents happen!   My heart goes out to the parents, friends, family.  It's a tragedy they were alone for so many hours before their deaths, yet they were never alone in life.

As a parent myself, I can't imagine the pain!
May 1, 2007 6:32 PM
 

professorkev said:

FMSenior mom, thanks for giving insight about their caring parents so the unknowns to this blog can see these boys had involved parents.
May 1, 2007 6:34 PM
 

Cindy C. said:

In memory of Kevin and Joshua.  The Master walked in His garden, plucking flowers along the way;  He plucked one of my loved ones, to add to His bouquet.  My heart at first was broken, at the loss of one so dear; but the tears I shed just washed my eyes, so I saw His way more clear.  My Lord has a need for just this one, for the pattern He has in mind; but it's hard for the rest of us to see why we must be left behind.  Perhaps we are not ready to go just yet, we may need to ripen more to reach the full blown fragrance my Lord is waiting for.  To each give forth a fragrance, to each we chance to meet, we should each be trying day by day to make our fragrance sweet.  So I'm going to try my very best to be loving and kind each day, so at least I'll be counted worthy to be part of my Master's Bouquet.
May 1, 2007 6:37 PM
 

aksjbasjfasjkfb said:

anyone who has any rude comments about this situation is rediculous and absurd. these boys were great people and the accident happened after school was over so dont even say they were cutting school. this is an absolute tragedy and your rude comments are hurting the friends family and anyone with a heart and soul
May 1, 2007 6:41 PM
 

FM Employee said:

The type of auto, the time of day, where they lived,
Two young lives were lost...that's the point.
May 1, 2007 7:02 PM
 

David said:

It is so very sad, these two lost.  It seems that each spring, somewhere in CNY, a set of families, friends and a community go through this type of horrible loss and grief.  I wish there was a way to help ALL the young adults out there (as they are growing up), realize that they are not indestructible and that they need to be so careful, because even a small mistake, an easy assumption, can have just such tragic result.  

To the two moms and dads, brothers and sisters, family and friends, I am so sorry for your loss.  I hope we all pray for you to receive God's peace.  
May 1, 2007 7:41 PM
 

FM junior high student said:

I did not know these boys very well. But in fact my brother did. My brother is too a senior at FM High School. I have never seen him cry but I can just imagine the pain he had when he heard that one of his friends, Josh Davis, was killed yesterday in a car accident. That's just absolutely dreadful. I am not the kind of person that crys a lot. But today, the pain overcame me and a couple tears rolled down my cheek. It's just so surprising how you see kids on the news of how they were killed. I know that most of you pay no mind to them. But when someone that you know is up there on the news, it's heartbraking. 'Cause you know that no matter how hard you try, they're never going to come back to you. You'll never get to see them ever again. So please keep these two young boys in your prayers. They deserve our prayers, and so do the Davis and Goich family. I will not see Kevin working at P&C again. I always saw him there and he always had a grin from ear to ear.

Kevin and Josh - R.I.P and GOD BLESS YOU

PS. All of you that are making nasty remarks about their wealth and the car, you should be ashamed. You should be very ashamed. Two boys die and you criticize them because you think they cut class and because they had a nice vehicle? No. That is wrong. You all disgust me. Please go and be sorry for what you have said. These families NEED our prayers!!
May 1, 2007 7:43 PM
 

FM Senior Mom said:

I just returned from the Community Prayer Service for Kevin and Josh.  The outpouring of love was a testament to these young men who we lost.  The kids turned to each other to comprehend the significance of life and loss and the parents turned to each other to remember young lifves cut short and tried to understand why.  Cherish every moment of every day and live accordingly.

My heart goes out to the Goich and Davis families - you loved your children with all your hearts and gave all you had to give them - God bless you all.
May 1, 2007 7:57 PM
 

MartyB said:

May the Lord bless both of these children. He has brought them home way to early and we should never have any rude and nasty comments after the loss of life. My prayers are with both families & friends. God bless us ALL.
May 1, 2007 8:02 PM
 

A friend said:


I stepped into the sunlight
And felt a gentle breeze
A soft and wistful moment
That was echoed in the trees

Each leaf at a shimmer
Each limb in dancing pose
A moment as beautiful
As a single long stem rose

And so it is this moment
This time that we have shared
A special bond between us
Knowing that you cared

As moments fade to memory
Again the bows will bend
And a gentle breeze will remind me
Of my very special friend




May 1, 2007 8:04 PM
 

fm student said:

well first of all i would like to say that josh and kevin will be missed and nobody deserves to die this way

but the observer the parent and oh well you have no right to be talking the way you are about those two boys...the car and the stereotypical fm kid have nothing to do with anything you should be ashamed and i hope you realize how much of a jerk each one of you if acting like

R.I.P. JOSH DAVIS AND KEVIN GOICH
May 1, 2007 8:06 PM
 

F-M Mom said:

Today was a tragic day for our community.  We have lost two bright and promising young boys which has left behind so much sorrow.  My daughter and son were good friends with Josh.  My sorrow lies with their shock and anguish over the deaths of their friends.  Most of all. my heart breaks for the anguish and despair both families are feeling.  All our prayers are with both families of Josh and Kevin.  May God bless you and heal you.
May 1, 2007 8:23 PM
 

FM PARENT said:

AS A PARENT, A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY AND A FORMER TEENAGER MANY FEELINGS OVERWHELM ME .... TO THE PARENTS AND FAMILIES OF THESE YOUNG BOYS I PRAY THAT YOU ARE ABLE TO REMENBER ALL THOSE PRECIOUS MOMENTS THAT ALL PARENTS CHERISH....TO ALL THE COMMUNITY I WISH FOR UNDERSTANDING....SILENCE....PEACE....THOUGHT.....AND REMEMBERING... MY SELF AS A TEENAGE BOY ....THIS WAS JUST TRADGEY...AND NOW ITS TIME TO SPEND TIME WITH MY CHILDREN BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW.....GOD BLESS ALL THAT REMEMBER THESE MEN.... LETS ALL  PRAY AND FORGIVE THOSE THAT DON'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND......LOSS
May 1, 2007 8:27 PM
 

FM Senior said:

RIP Kevin and Josh the world needs more genuine good people like you two.
May 1, 2007 8:35 PM
 

build_jeep_tough said:

you stupid stupid people who think that the cost of the vehicle or the parents had something to do with it, or cutting school did. my jeep, which is very much an off road capable vehicle, i purchased for 1300 dollars, and runs fine, so now what about money you ignorant fool. stop trying to place blame with other people, this is a terrible accident, those boys had been there before and never expected the blast to have taken place weeks previous. insurance rates wouldn't go down because of your thoughts, hate to burst your bubble, they are as high as they are for young people because young people don't have the driving experience older people do. my god you people frustrate me so much that you have to blame other people, for once just accept this and pray for those families.
May 1, 2007 8:57 PM
 

fm senior said:

Josh and Kevin will always be remembered as brilliant,young kids with great personalities. For everyone who is critizing them, you have cold hearts and should be ashamed.  The vigil was a beautiful ceramony that brought together a great community. We will always love you guys.
RIP Josh Davis and Kevin Goich
May 1, 2007 9:32 PM
 

Stacie (Mother of 4 young boys) said:

Sad, tear eyed, god bless. my heart goes out to the familys.... No one deserves to die. Kids bury there parents..... Parent's are not suppose to bury there kids..... My heart is truly with this family. RIP.... God Bless
May 1, 2007 9:35 PM
 

FM Alumnus said:

The loss of the lives of these young men today has been- and will continue to be- a profound tragedy for the entire community as well as a misfortune to the future of this world. To the families and friends of Josh and Kevin: How lucky you were to have these two amazingly happy, positive, and benevolent blessings in your lives for 18 years.  Their personalities were absolute role models for each and every one of us. You should look at your loved ones tonight and remember how lucky you are to have them in your lives. An accident can happen to anyone, any day, in any community, in any vehicle, and should be treated with respect, care, and maturity.
Peace to you and the grieving... Coming together and being the family that is FM (or any school community, for that matter) is the greatest gift of healing, so embrace the love of one another during this difficult time. You are not alone in your confusion, shock, or pain.
My thoughts and prayers are with my alma matter, my community, and especially the families and friends of Josh and Kevin of whom I give my most solemn condolences.
May 1, 2007 9:43 PM
 

Johnny McCormick said:

Hey i'm so sorry about everyones loss up in Manilus..... it must be really hard too lose two good kids like that... anyways my prayers are with anyone that is affected with this... so so sorry
May 1, 2007 10:06 PM
 

Margaret Mathis said:

The quarry owners or managers must have known that people sometimes drove 4WD's in that area.  Even if it is private property, they have created quite a hazard and I think they should have put up several warning signs, or some plastic fencing.
To say nothing of the wild animals that run thru the fields at night....or even in the daytime.....ooops.
People with pools are required to fence them.  Isn't this abrupt drop-off into the quarry a similar hazard?
That said, quarries are dangerous places...the walls can collapse....people should stay away from them.                                   Anonymous....a rock collector
May 1, 2007 10:43 PM
 

economic differences said:

For all of you who bring in topics such as cars, money, irrational media attention, if you are going to highlight these topics if you had half a brain and had the priveledge of attending a school such as fm, you should know that you should address counterpoints to strengthen your argument. Apparently you are as ignorant as you seem. Not to be a racist, but inner city kids being shot doesn't get as much attention because there is not much sympathy. Drugs and crime wrought those incidents, not teenagers doing what teenagers do. And about the money and car, I'm sorry you aren't as priviledged as some of these people are, so maybe you should try to transcend the socio-economic ladder, get a better job, and stop spending your time writing impudent posts on the internet.
May 1, 2007 10:56 PM
 

very saddened said:

Shame on the righteous who think that social status and "money" played a role in the death of two young vibrant sons of morning parents.  Two families mourn.  So...this mourning is different from the shootings and stabbings elsewhere in our county? I am deeply saddened for the families who've suffered a tragic loss and who will never be the same as a result.
May 2, 2007 12:20 AM
 

Silvia said:

  To the families of Josh and Kevin, I want to send you my love and prayers. To their friends, to their teachers, to all who are mourning them, I wish I could do something to help you. Please know that people that didn't know them, that don't know you, care about your pain and I pray and hope that you find peace and come to see the time you had with them as the treasure that will sustain you.
  Watching the images of the vigil you had for them, I could see in the support and love you were giving one another the path to healing. In the hard times ahead, remember how they would want you to heal, to enjoy your lives, with them in your hearts.

May 2, 2007 12:58 AM
 

To observer said:

I can't believe your comment.  I had a friend who was cutting classes years back and fell some 80 ft. in Palenville,NY.  He was a good kid. It still haunts me today.  My condolences to the student body, friends, and especially family.  
May 2, 2007 2:33 AM
 

Paying respects... said:

I just want to give my respects to both families, and may God be with you at this horrible time.  I am so very sorry for your loss.

And to anyone who has enough evilness in their heart to post a nasty comment, I can only hope that no such tragedy ever happens in your lives.  But, if it ever does, there will be a community of people who will pray for you, as well.  
May 2, 2007 4:33 AM
 

a widowed mom of teenagers said:

The families of Josh and Kevin are in my thoughts and prayers.  I doesn't matter how much money you have, a loss is a loss. Why would people bring money and race into this time of loss and hardship.  These people are just being ignorant.   My thoughts and prayers go out to the ignorant people also.
May 2, 2007 5:09 AM
 

FM Alumna said:

Why isn't there a fence along the road around this quarry? A berm, some trees, and no trespassing signs seem entirely inadequate for this sort of attractive nuisance.

All my sympathy goes out to the families of these boys.
May 2, 2007 5:52 AM
 

Mary said:

Our  prayers are with the parents and families of Kevin and  Joshua.  This is a tragic and horrific loss for everyone in the FM school district.  
My son is a senior at Cazenovia High School, and we too mourn the loss of these young boys, who we didn't even know.
May God bless all of you.
May 2, 2007 5:55 AM
 

Sharon Carrow said:

My thoughts and prayers are with the families of Josh and Kevin.  I do not know the boys or their families but I am a mother of four children and NO parent should have to go through the loss of a child.  I lost my sister in a car accident and the worst part was not having been able to say goodbye.    Not a day goes by that I do not think of her.  Right now just try to know that there is much love, compassion and prayers for you from those you know and those like me, a stranger, who have you in their thought and prayers at this tragic time.
May 2, 2007 6:16 AM
 

mary said:

MY DEEPEST CONDOLENCES TO THE FAMILIES AND FRIENDS OF MR DAVIS
AND MR GOICH.....I DID NOT NOW THEM AT ALL BUT MY HEART GOES OUT TO
THE FAMILIES......WHAT A TRAGEDY.......MONEY, COMMUNITY STATUS AND ALL THE OTHER "INSINCERE COMMENTS" MADE ABOVE ARE SO SAD......PEOPLE LIKE YOU CANT FEEL PAIN OR SADNESS OBVIOUSLY.....I JUST PRAY THAT SOMEDAY YOU DO NOT GO THRU THE PAIN THESE FAMILIES  AND FRIENDS OF THE BOYS ARE GOING THRU AND IF YOU DO GOD BLESS YOU......

REST IN PEACE BOYS, YOU WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN.......
May 2, 2007 6:20 AM
 

Razzy said:

Im sorry for this loss of life

Like every accident there are people who want to criticize the dead, my cousin passed away two months ago not far from FM in a trailer accident and ppl who dodnt know him were putting the blame on him and his friend
Once again my prayers are with you
May 2, 2007 6:24 AM
 

A Concerned Mom said:

I am also concerned that there is no fence around the quarry.  Yes there are signs, but  that doesn't protect people or animals. I think there should be a fence.  Kids will be kids and do crazy and silly things, but if there is a hazard like this, they should be protected.

Our hearts go out to the families....and the community.
May 2, 2007 6:50 AM
 

A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER said:

My family and I were sad to hear about more teen deaths. However, if you bother to read the newspaper and look at the pictures on page 6 you would see that these 2 intelligent teens were BREAKING the LAW as they were trespassing on PRIVATE PROPERTY! IT IS POSTED PRIVATELY OWNED LAND! The newspaper photos showed that. These signs are ment for a reason to save lives!

These teens can read so why were they BREAKING THE LAW? Lack of respect for someone else's private property. Now everyone who knew the teens are at a loss the world deprived of their positive contribution when they simply could have prevented it by respecting and following the law of NO TRESPASSING!  

Shame on you news-media tv people for leaving out the important message that the land is POSTED NO TRESPASSING, you failed all the law-a-biding people that respect signs.
May 2, 2007 6:53 AM
 

riaz rahaman,fatima rahaman,from manlius said:

we are also parents of kids who go to fm our younger son who is a junior he knew them thogh not personally but he was upset all day yesterday,our prayers are with the parents and their siblings,may the lord of the worlds give them strength,patience and peace to face this calamity,it is unimaginable to be in their shoes,may god bless them.
May 2, 2007 7:03 AM
 

Cindy said:

I am a parent whos daughter and niece were killed in a tragic accident in Lafayette 5 years ago. I want to send you my deepest sympathy. I feel your pain. These were not young men. They were your babies and always will be. The pain and heart ache and tears will never go away. I still feel like it was yesterday that my daughter was here with me being a 16 year old in high school. Someone sent me this poem.
May 2, 2007 7:12 AM
 

FMMOM said:

My daughter was a friend of these young men. I know first hand the pain that this is causing her,the families and the rest of their friends. My heart breaks for each and everyone one of them. My daughter is remembering the wonderful fullness of each of their hearts. As she said "he always had a hug for me."  Please know that my thoughts and prayers go out to both families and all the FM community affected by this tragic loss. RIP Josh and Kevin
May 2, 2007 7:22 AM
 

A Parent of FM Student said:

Okay, I agree that the boys were trespassing, and breaking the law.  I agree that that should have been respected.  But someone else mentioned fences around pools....you could use that same argument about personal rights on your own property.  "Private Property Owner" -- how would you feel if someone drowned in your pool?  Same difference, isn't it?  Laws are intangible....fences are.
May 2, 2007 7:23 AM
 

Dilip Bhole said:

Kevin was in my daughter's class and had been to our home several times. He was a very cheerful kid and would greet me heartily at the P&C store where he worked. It pains us all to know about the tragic accident that Kevin and Josh had. We deeply mourn their loss and our thoughts and prayers are with their families.
May 2, 2007 7:27 AM
 

a mom said:

Remember me with smiles, not tears for all the joy through all the years. Recall the closeness that was ours, a love as sweet as flowers. Don,t dwell on thoughts that cause you pain, we,ll see each other once again. I am at peace try to believe, It was my time, I had to leave. But what a view I have from here,I see your face, I feel you near. I follow you throughout the day, your not alone along the way. And when God calls you you will be right by my side, right here with me. Until then, I will wait by heavens door We,ll be united for ever more.
May 2, 2007 7:34 AM
 

OH WELL said:

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May 2, 2007 7:36 AM
 

Teach123 said:

My thoughts and prayers for the families and friends of these two young men.  This was a case of boys being boys that ended in tragedy.  I am deeply saddened by some of the outrageous comments I have read here.  Those of you laying blame on parents, wealth, etc...shame on you!!  Yes, you are entitled to your opinion, but at a time like this?  Furthermore, why does race always become an issue?  There is a big difference between this accident and Syracuse's gun violence.  The reason why is that there seems to be a shooting in Syracuse everyday.  Inner-city teenagers carrying guns vs. some FM kids going off roading.  What a ridiculous comparison.  Also, I can't believe how many self-righteous people there are making comments about these boys "breaking the law."  Don't you remember being a teenager?  Apparently not.  Get a life!!!!
May 2, 2007 7:37 AM
 

FM Grad said:

Everybody who is blaming this horrific accident on snobby kids and expensive cars is suffering from class envy.  These young men worked hard.  They were accepted into good colleges because of their character and work ethic.  There is nothing wrong with being born into a wealthy family or having money.  They didn't take their circumstances for granted.  If they did they wouldn't have worked so hard in school and at their jobs. Your comments show a lack of empathy and concern for two boys who will never get a second chance. Shame on you.
May 2, 2007 7:55 AM
 

Another parent said:

There are the poor and the rich in Manlius also as in the city.  The issue is the abuse of this vehicle and the case of the poor kid and the rich kid.  Now our insurance rates go higher.  Better start moving assets as one parent sues the other.
May 2, 2007 7:57 AM
 

fm said:

for all you poeple sayying *** are going to burn in hell.......and calling them rich kids is f-up they were hard working nice boys that were love. then it doesnt matter if they were white or black its just two high school boys that die in tragedy
May 2, 2007 7:59 AM
 

fm said:

everyone should just feel sry when two great kids die...........and this car was know to be safe...and everyone who said fm is just rich kids are wroung the kids arent the ones who so called have money its there hard working famlies do....so there kids can have a good life.


ps for anyone who is sayying bad stuff come to fm and we will tale care of you....trust
May 2, 2007 8:03 AM
 

fm student said:

joshua had a smile on his face 24/7 and he was going to umass in 7 weeks, who work hard for it.....so please just stop talking about it if you dont know/ or care for the kids...poeple loved them
May 2, 2007 8:05 AM
 

fm senior said:

i agree with fm that people like susikino or whatever should burn in hell for their lack of class and respect for two young kids who have died in such a terrible tragedy. and for all of you who show disrespect to them you should all think of the terrible things you have said about them. Josh and Kevin could not of prevented this because they did not know that certain area had been blasted away and there was a drop off like that.

Josh and Kevin you will always be remembered
May 2, 2007 8:08 AM
 

FMgrad said:

To all those trying to put a blame on the kids or the parents, this is not the time or the place for negative comments like those. Whatever you may think, you need to keep thoughts like that to yourself. This is a hard time for Fayetteville Manlius and the only right thing to do here is express sorrow for the boys and the FM community. If you can't do that, then keep your thoughts to yourselves. It is rude and disrespectful to be saying such negative comments at a time like this. Have some compassion! Their actions and the actions of their parents are not relevant at a time like this. Don't only look at the fact that they were doing something they probably shouldn't have been doing. The only thing that should be focused on is the fact that two young boys have lost their lives in a tragic event. I happened to know both of them and they were nothing less that wonderful. God bless you Josh and Kevin. May you Rest in Peace.
May 2, 2007 8:10 AM
 

fm said:

this is to oh well.....joshua got that car for doing in school to....and if you want to keeping talking this come to fm im sure some kids whould knock you out befor you could say a word...........and ya a 30,000 car is a lot but you should see some a different schools that they get for selling drugs..that are nicer
May 2, 2007 8:11 AM
 

fm said:

to oh well im sry for doing good in school and working hard
May 2, 2007 8:13 AM
 

Sam V. said:

To both friends and families of Josh Davis and Kevin Goich I'm so sorry for your loss and my prayers will always be with you. I had the pleasure of knowing both Josh and Kevin and they were the nicest happiest people i have ever met. I worked with Kevin he was a fun loving person who could cheer anyone up just with his presence. God bless Josh and Kevin

To all the people making obscene comments to the friends and family of these bright young kids you need take a minute and look at yourselves. The fact that you are pointing out what type of car, wealth and private property is disgusting and all of you need help. You should take the correct moral choice and delete your comments for they are very disrespectful to the friends and family of both Josh and Kevin. You are simply prejudice by passing judgment on two young men you never knew and how truly grateful Fayetteville-Manlius is to have had them in our community. We have suffered a great loss and the last thing anyone needs are these inappropriate comments coming from grown men and women who have no intelligence or morals.
May 2, 2007 8:13 AM
 

fm said:

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May 2, 2007 8:14 AM
 

fm student said:

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May 2, 2007 8:16 AM
 

Fm Senior 07 said:

I think that people need to get over saying nasty horrible things about this, yes they were breaking the law, but the fact of the matter is, there are two amazing teenagers that are no longer with us. It is a horrible thing, i am a senior and they were going to be graduating with me in a little over a month, and now at grduation thre seats will be empty.

It doesnt matter the cost of the suv, or tht fact that parents give them to there kids, they have the money to buy them so they do.

If you dont know the boys, or have nasty things to say, say them to yourself.
May 2, 2007 8:22 AM
 

wow. said:

Anybody who has enough nerve to try and say that its somebody's "fault" that these two amazing boys died, is terrible and should not be writing on this site. Those kids were like any other highschool Teenager and were just having fun. This happened one day ago, it is alright to mourn.
May 2, 2007 8:23 AM
 

FM Grad 06 said:

To all those who are harping on what happened that led to their death and how the parents shouldn't give them expensive cars etc etc are completely off base. They're good kids who made a mistake. To those of you who made those thoughtless remarks, you weren't perfect as a teen either, remember that. And even if you were perfect you still have no right to make such a heartless comment. Think before you say something so incompetent.
May 2, 2007 8:58 AM
 

A Lonely Mom said:

When tomorrow starts without me and I,m not there to see. if the sun should rise and find your eyes all filled with tears for me,I wish you wouldn,t cry the way you did today.while thinking of the many things we didn,t get to say. I know how much you love me, as much as I love you,and each time you think of me I know you,ll miss me too, but when tomorrow starts without me please try to understand that an angel came and called my name, and took my hand, and said my place was ready in heaven far above, and that I would have to leave behind those I truely loved. But as I turned to walk away a tear fell from my eye for all my life I,d always thought I didn,t want to die. I had so much to live for and so much yet to do, it seemed almost impossible that I was leaving you. I thought of all the yesterdays the good ones and the bad, I thought of all the love we shared and all the fun we had. If I could relive yesterday just even for awhile I,d say good bye and maybe see you smile, but then I finallly realized that this could never be, for emptiness and memories would take the place of me, and then I thought of all the worldly things i might miss tomorrow, I thought of you and my heart was full of sorrow. But when I walked through heavens gate I felt so much at home when God looked down and smiled at me.He said this is eternity and all I,ve promised you. Today your life on earth is past and each day is the same, there is no longing for the past. But you have been so faithful , so trusting, and so true, though there were some times you did some things you knew you shouldn,t do you have been forgiven and now at last your free, so won,t you take my hand and share my life with me. Don,t think we're far apart for every time you think of me I,m right here in your heart.
May 2, 2007 9:04 AM
 

What do you think? said:

teacher/mom

In the end this tragedy is about two young people who were taken away from this world much too soon.  My deepest symapthy goes out to the families friends and to all who have lost a loved one in the past.
Rest in peace boys.
May 2, 2007 9:08 AM
 

Very sorry for your loss said:

I to know first hand how it feels to lose a member of a community, it was over a year ago when Joe Bregg was killed on Rt 12 in Phoenix, this young boy was in my daughter's graduating class. She is still very hurt over this and will never forget how she felt the day she heard this horrible news.  I as a parent could never imagine this happening to me and my family.  You can only hope and pray that everything you taught your children will carry over into their own lives. I send all my prayers to these two families, and just know that your children are in good hands.
May 2, 2007 9:15 AM
 

former coworker of kevin said:

(post edited) just because you are jealous does not give you the right to criticize. these boys were wonderful people regardless of money and status and you are obviously trying to compensate for something by putting them down and blaming them. youare a horrible person and i hope that someday you experience a tradgedy like this in your life so people can criticize you and break your heart too, just like you are doing to all the people who cared about kevin and josh.
May 2, 2007 9:19 AM
 

Both sides of the spectrum said:

No one can doubt that this a tragedy.  No friends or family should have to go through this and no person deserves to die like this.  What we can grow/learn from this is that our kids need to been parented as often as moments present themselves.  I'm not suggesting that these parents didn't do that, but this should be a reminder to all parents to cherish and guard your kids, even if they are bigger than you.  Continue with the gentle reminders about the new car or the driving in the rain on the winding road or that it isn't their right to drink with friends in a field.  
May 2, 2007 9:32 AM
 

Oh Well Hater... said:

To Oh Well--just by looking at what you have posted and the fact that everything is in caps--reveals what an angry person you are.  You obviously have a problem with a teenager having a vehicle as nice as yours.  

The matter being, you went to grad school and therefore feel you are entitled to drive this type of vehicle and these boys were not.  Um, Let me think....oh! That's right...you are WRONG AGAIN.  

You see, you seem to think that you are more worthy than these boys because you went to grad school.  Which is why you feel they have no business driving the same SUV as you. Right?  Let's call a spade, a spade.  That is what you are truly so angry about.  You had to wait longer than they did to have the same vehicle.  And so your childish jealousy shines thru crystal clear!   Now, let's look at it this way.......AT LEAST YOU HAD A CHANCE TO GO TO GRAD SCHOOL!

I have an idea!  You should direct your anger someplace else in this time of sorrow.  Go very, very far away and dwell in your anger QUIETLY. Go and create a chat room on the internet where ALL of the participants are as selfish and hateful as you are, can come and share.  I'm quite sure you will be able to find plenty of people that will agree with your warped sense of reality.  

As for this site?  You are truly commenting in the wrong arena here.  People are coming here to read, remember and begin to heal by talking about these 2 fine young kids.   The way you are using this is not the purpose for which it is intended to be used.

Do us all a favor and take the other negative, selfish, angry, evil people who have been so nasty over the past 2 days and go create your own blog somewhere where you can all share your hateful thoughts with each other.  We really don't care about your insecurities.  Out patient mental health treatment may make you feel better as well.  Yellow pages...

My thougts and prayers are with the families and friends and fellow students of these bright young men.  A tragedy no parent should have to endure.  God Bless and Take Care of Each Other.
May 2, 2007 9:34 AM
 

riaz rahaman,fatima rahaman,from manlius said:

we are also parents of kids who go to fm our younger son who is a junior he knew them thogh not personally but he was upset all day yesterday,our prayers are with the parents and their siblings,may the lord of the worlds give them strength,patience and peace to face this calamity,it is unimaginable to be in their shoes,may god bless them.
May 2, 2007 9:36 AM
 

a3 said:

When loss occurs it effects us all. Here are two tragedies and our hearts should go out to their families. Yet, when loss confronts us, we often look to find something or someone  to blame.  Now we see notes on  reasons why it happened,or other areas of anger. It's mostly just a response to the pain of this all. Some people just can not handle loss maturely, thus they attack anyone in pain. They strive to deal with the intense sadness by becoming angry...Try to not give in to their infantile responses. Instead focus on prayers and love for all who feel this loss. That serves the memory of such good souls.
May 2, 2007 9:49 AM
 

David West said:

First and foremost - I would like to send my heartfelt thoughts and prayers to the families, friends, classmates, and F-M Community who have lost two fine young men.  It is my hope that the thoughts and prayers of the community will provide you comfort and help to fill that vast hole in your life due to your loss.  May peace come about from knowing how your sons have made a positive difference in the lives of others.

Secondly, I deeply regret having to include this portion with my expressions of sympathy, but feel it is warranted .  Life is so very precious regardless of where the deceased may have lived, their race, faith , orientation, rich or poor,... etc.  I have yet to see a SMART mistake...have you?  I fear that I am seeing the death of tactfulness, compassion, and empathy for our fellow human beings.  It is unfathomable for me to believe anyone would seek to point fingers of blame or politicizing such a tragic event.  Why throw salt in any wound let alone such a fresh one?  Why cause any additional pain to those who are suffering enough as it is?  Let us help to heal the grief and pain experienced and strive to show care for ALL during both the good times and the bad.  Each life is a precious gift so please...no I beg you... do not tarnish the memories of the lives lost.
May 2, 2007 10:03 AM
 

jaquig said:

Well said David West. THANK YOU.
May 2, 2007 10:36 AM
 

Jackie said:

As a mother of 4 boys, 3 being teenagers, one is disabled and 1 being a senior, my heart goes out to both of these families.  My boys have been raised and guided by rather strict, very loving parents.  And having been a teenager once, we all know that we all did things at one time or another where we could've ended up the same way.  My sons are good boys, but as a sheer "right of passage" they all end up at one time or another in places or situations they shouldn't be in-but that's part of growing up.  These boys were just being "typical boys" and my heart is broken for them and their families and friends.  Always remember to tell you kids how much you love them and value them-because you just never know.  And by the way-we are not well off but my senior has a car and a truck that he paid for himself by working.  He also has access to our vehicles at times.  It's NOT about money and privlege.
May 2, 2007 10:40 AM
 

thomas jones said:

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May 2, 2007 11:10 AM
 

thommy johns said:

alright so they were breakign the law by going beyond a no tresspassing sign, but what are all of you angels? no of you have gone past one of those minut little signs that can barely be seen.   this is mainly for "oh well" and "private porperty owner"  you are both ignorant fools and i wish a tragedy of worse magnitude on both of you
May 2, 2007 11:21 AM
 

Jenna and F-M Student said:

I dont think we should be focused on who said what and what they had to say bad about this situation...it was a horrible thing to have to wake up and hear that two boys who you go to school with are dead that's something i hope no one ever has to go threw again, it was deffinantly a tragedy and we should be focusing on helping people through this. Josh & kevin were two of the greatest kids in my school they were always  smiling and it lit up a room they were always happy. We cant go blaming people for this my heart and tears go out to the Goich and Davis family......


RIP boys you will be missed we love you.
May 2, 2007 11:21 AM
 

shaunganley said:

Folks, please lets keep it clean and civil here. This blog is here to discuss what happened to two teenagers who lost their lives.  Don't let anger dictate what you write. I have to censor posts that use foul language, or talk about "attacking" someone.
Thank You, 9WSYR.COM Webmaster/Producer
May 2, 2007 11:23 AM
 

paul d said:

my heart goes out to both families, can not answer why this tragedy happened, so very, very sad.....thoughts and prayers to anyone whose lives were touched by these two boys.
May 2, 2007 11:28 AM
 

thommy johns said:

not my fault people are being ignorant fools and have no sympathy for the death of 2 young men...how about you tell them to keep it clean rather than yell at the people who are greiving shaun
May 2, 2007 11:28 AM
 

Saddened Mother said:

My heart goes out to these two families.  I do not know them but can feel the families grief.  I have two teenagers myself and worry about them every minute.   This is so sad and I am very ashamed of these comments about "money and expensive vehicles"!!   These are very cruel.  This was just a freak accident!!!  

Rest in peace boys.  Two lives taken away too soon and way to close to what would have been a very special day in their lives of Graduation!!!

God Bless!!
May 2, 2007 11:37 AM
 

lovescats said:

Well said "in shock" and 'Kim".  This is a horrible tragedy. The rest of you people who have nothing but your deepest condolences to offer should keep your riduculous comments to your pea-brained selves.  God forbid a horrible tragedy happens to any members of your family.  Then lets see if your moronic thinking changes.  This was an ACCIDENT people...a horrible unfortunate accident.  I did not know these boys, but my heart is breaking for their family and friends.  It is the support and positive comments and warm gestures and prayers that will help the families get through this.  to family and friends of these boys.....I am so very sorry for your loss.
May 2, 2007 11:40 AM
 

Lori Houck said:

My prayers go out to the families of these young men who held such a promising future.  I am saddened deeply by the loss, being the mom of  4 children, nothing can measure the heartbreak of losing a child.  We should certainly not judge these boys.  Look at their achievements and accomplishments in their young academic careers.  They had obviously made some excellent choices in their lives.  If it were within our power to reverse their final choice, who among us would not do so?  My prayer is that God will draw close to these two families and those who mourn their loss.  May you find God's peace, which surpasses all understanding.  
May 2, 2007 11:51 AM
 

Farmer said:

This was a VERY unfortunate accident and I will continue to pray for the entire family. I lost two classmates/friends to separate car accidents in high school, one of which was on his own birthday, so I can imagine what everyone from F-M school is going through right now. And yes, I was a crazy teenager, not too long ago I might add. We did crazy things like off-roading (on our own land) and thank god we were never seriously injured. But being from the country, there is a certain "respect" level that one has for another’s property. I live on a farm and I would be very upset if someone "wandered", drove or somehow ended up on my land and got injured or killed. My family has enough to worry about and we have signs posted all around our 200+ acres. Yes, they should not have been there, they were breaking the law, but it was there time and their life was in gods hands. May god rest their souls and may all of their accomplishments as young men overshadow the negativity of this incident.
May 2, 2007 11:57 AM
 

MP said:

As a mother of 4, all former and current F-M students, and an educator who has had only too much experience dealing with this type of tragedy, I want to extend my sympathy and prayers to the families, the friends, and to the Fayetteville-Manlius administration,teachers, and staff. May God bless you and give you strength during this very difficult time.
May 2, 2007 12:01 PM
 

a mother said:

i can see two new angels in heaven today seated next to the Lord.
Waiting for the rest of us to join them.
Please make sure your heart is ready for when God calls you home.
May 2, 2007 12:01 PM
 

a mother SADDEN HEART said:

My prayers and thoughts are with both families. No words could express my sincere thoughts at this time. The Lord nows why this happened to your sons but remember you will see them someday with no pain and suffering walking the streets of gold.  That's his promise to all who believe in him. "GOD BLESS YOU ALL"
May 2, 2007 12:19 PM
 

Mary J said:

I do not know these two young men but live in a community who lost 3 beautiful young women to a tragic accident. Please know that so many others share you loss and will continue to keep the families and friends of these 2 young men close to our hearts in thought and prayer. God Bless all of you at FM.
May 2, 2007 12:24 PM
 

T. Kern said:

My heart goes out to both sets of parents. Having 2 boys almost the same age makes me realize how much you you take for granted that there going to walk in the door every night. God Bless!!!!
May 2, 2007 12:42 PM
 

A mother of brothers said:

Josh was the older brother of Louis, Josh was his whole world and now he is left without him and his world is gone with no understanding as to why.When your considering making a cruel key stroke or two or throwing blame in the air remember when your done Louis will still be alone without his older brother his loss is as great as his parents and my heart goes out to him. the little brother
May 2, 2007 1:00 PM
 

Oldermaybewiser said:

I did some pretty stupid things when I was a teenage driver. Consequences weren't always uppermost in my mind when out driving -  I wanted to have fun and get a thrill. I'm just sorry to hear that these boys' fun time turned so suddenly into tragedy. I can't imagine the pain and heartache the parents are going through at this time.
May 2, 2007 1:09 PM
 

PR said:

My thoughts and prayers go out to 2 of my best friends you will be missed!

To those who have the need to talk about how there bad kids or how they skipped should grow up and look in the mirror im sure if your friends were in that car you wouldnt be saying such crap.
May 2, 2007 1:19 PM
 

KH said:

I just want to send my thoughts and prayers to both the families and to the student body.

You will be in my thoughts and prayers always.
May 2, 2007 1:25 PM
 

KH said:

I just want to send my thoughts and prayers to both the families and to the student body.

You will be in my thoughts and prayers always.
May 2, 2007 1:29 PM
 

SHAME ON YOU said:

Shame on all of you who have placed blame and posted nasty comments about these two young men who died in that tragic accident. You're probably the same horrible people who had mean things to say about that poor man who lost his life and who nearly killed my friend and her unborn baby in that accident in Skaneateles a couple of weeks ago. Accidents happen and no one's to blame, luckily my friend and her baby are still here today. My heart goes out to the families and friends of those two young men.
May 2, 2007 1:30 PM
 

Jordan-Elbridge Mom said:

As the mother of a 20 year old son, my deepest heartfelt sympathies go out to these two families.  I can't imagine the magnitude and devistation of such a loss - my heart truly aches for both families, their friends and the entire FM community.  Please know that communities far and wide are praying for your families, siblings, friends/classmates and most of all Josh and Kevin.  It is apparent that these were two wonderful boys with very promising futures ahead of them.  God Bless them both.

For those who feel the need to be negative, disrespectful and mean - SAVE IT!  Now is not the time for your lack of moral values.  If you can't say something caring don't say anything!
May 2, 2007 1:50 PM
 

Peace said:

Rest in peace Josh & Kevin.

Maybe their purpose on earth - this accident- was to make their schoolmates, families, neighbors and friends more aware of the brevity of life and think twice about thier actions & consequences-- and just maybe that will prevent another accident in the future.  If so, a noble cause.
May 2, 2007 1:53 PM
 

Phoenix Mom said:

I just want to say that my thoughts and prayers are going out to both families, no one should ever have to lose a child no matter what.
May 2, 2007 2:03 PM
 

pauline flory said:

My heart and prayers go to the families and friends of the two boys that passed.I am disgusted by the negative comments on this page about the boys and the school comments and vehicle comments. Good God people who have no heart, these were someones children. Either you do not have children or have not experianced a loss of someone in your life.I have 3 adult children and one about to be 16,no need for negative comments.To: The families of these boys,just know there are people who do have you in there hearts and prayers.No one should have to suffer a loss like this.
May 2, 2007 2:17 PM
 

A Mom said:

Hug your kids tighter from now om and don't be so quick to yell - for we truly don't know how long God will allow us to be with them.  

To all F-M students get comfort from one another and keep your faith - God has a plan, even if it doesn't make sense right now.

My prayers to Josh and Kevin's families at this time, your loss is  deep and I hope that in time it will lessen.
May 2, 2007 2:22 PM
 

rjd said:

My deepest sympathies are extended to the Goich and Davis families. And those sympathies are also extended to the FM school district. All of you are in my thoughts and prayers.

For those that have posted the negative comments, criticized the school district and these poor boys' families, it is unfortunate that your lack of compassion impelled you to write hurtful and unwanted comments.
May 2, 2007 2:42 PM
 

mysons17! said:

I won't waste much time on the negative comments, but to say I will pray for you also and hope that god will forgive you.  I hope you can forgive yourselves as you look in the mirror everyday.
This site is to hopefully help ease the pain, if just a little, and pay our respects.  I don't know these boys or their friends or families.  Nor do I live in or near Manlius.  Let's just all treat this as a big embrace to anyone affected by this tragedy.  Rally together with love and support as you remember these wonderful young men.  I'm the mom of 2 children, one being a 17 year old boy who loves to have fun, go four wheeling and live life to the fullest the same as these two young men.  Bad judgment doesn't decide when or where.  The big guy upstairs makes that decision.  He has a plan for these to angels.  Now we are left to carry on and love and supprt each other.  And remember to think of all the great memories and look upward and smile for the boys.  I bet they would  like that.
May 2, 2007 2:43 PM
 

A CARING MOM said:

THE BAD COMMENTS THAT PEOPLE ARE WRITING SHOULD NOT EVEN BE REPLIED TO. THESE PEOPLE DO NOT DESEREVE THE ATTENTION THAT THEY ARE GETTING.
THIS WAS A TRUE TRAGIDY AND ANYONE WHO IS A PARENT CAN ONLY IMAGINE THE HORRIBLE HEART-BREAK OF THESE PARENTS.
MY THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS ARE WITH BOTH PARENTS, RELATIVES AND FRIENDS.
May 2, 2007 2:53 PM
 

gentle said:

"This existence of ours is as transient as autumn clouds.To watch the birth and death of beings is like looking at the movements of a dance. A lifetime is a flash of lightning in the sky. Rushing by,like a torrent down a steep mountain."    -Buddha

Let's be good to one another in our grief. Rest in peace, Josh and Kevin.
May 2, 2007 3:01 PM
 

FM Junior said:

All of the student body at F-M would greatly appreciate it if the negative comments ceased. If you want to play the blame game, keep it to yourself. This is a place for healing, and trying to make sense of the tragedy. Josh was my friend. Kevin was only an acquaintance, but they both were amazing people that you couldn't get enough of. If you say that they, their parents, or the school were doing something wrong, take a step into FM highschool sometime this week. You'll cry.
rest in peace guys<3 we all love and miss you terribly.
"forever young"
May 2, 2007 3:03 PM
 

Jack said:

God speed
May 2, 2007 3:17 PM
 

Rest In Peace said:

Whoever keeps posting those insensitive, thoughtless, stereotypical comments needs to put their egotistical minds behind them, and realize that those boys were humans just like we are. This is not a basketball game or a football game where you can chant and say stereotypical things. This is a heartbreaking loss of two young, great kids, so put away the school rivalry here, grow the hell up and stop saying inhumane, heartless comments. You appaul me.

Rest in peace josh and kevin, my thoughts are with your families.
May 2, 2007 3:18 PM
 

professorKev said:

FM Alumna said:
Why isn't there a fence along the road around this quarry? A berm, some trees, and no trespassing signs seem entirely inadequate for this sort of attractive nuisance.


Is this person for REAL?  Fence it off, your right, we should just FENCE off everything that presents a danger.  Better fence off your yard, or street or every lake in the world.  Dangers are present everywhere, it is responsibility and knowing right from wrong that helps to prevent these tragedies.  These boys knew it was wrong to go there, Just as I knew it was wrong to speed in my dads convertible when I was a kid.  Thrill seeking comes with dangers.  I could care less if they were wrong doing what they did, they did it and unfortunately it was a bad decision.  It's too bad the landscape had changed and even worse that positive people like these two have left a world that they would have made a vital contribution to!
May 2, 2007 3:33 PM
 

observer said:

Accident?  No.  The proper term is collision. EMS, fire and law enforcement no longer use the term accident.  An accident implies that it could not have been prevented.  

This incident could very easily have been prevented.  Stay where you belong.  Don't break the law and don;t so stupid things.

A fence? Really.  How long do you think that would have stayed intact?  This is not the first time people have four wheeled in the quarry, and it won't be the last time.  The owner is not telling the truth when he says it's not a problem.  Ask the police, they know it's a problem.  The owner knows it too. He is just content to let it be, since they aren't damaging his property (buildings etc.).  A fence would have to be inspected daily.  Aside from the cost (prohibitive) it would just not be cost effective to inspect it daily.
May 2, 2007 3:55 PM
 

NOYBSoldier said:

While tragic, this was no accident.   The vehicle and financial security had nothing to do with this.  Those *boys* were trespassing.  Now there are mentions of putting a fence around the property.  A fence?  Why not just make the company fill it in while they are not actively working the site.  Attractive nuisance? Are you kidding?  It's not a pond on a golf course.  Is someone going to sue the vehicle manufacturer because the airbags didn't deploy properly or some other reason?  Where does it stop?  The responsibility of this tragedy lies with those boys who made a poor decision.  I am so disappoionted that this has turned into finger pointing and I'm sorry to be a part of the rant..  The truth is those *boys* made a bad decision that resulted in their tragic and untimely death.  I made bad decisions when I was a kid and am lucky to still be here on this troubled earth.

My prayers go to their families for strength, guidance and peace.
May 2, 2007 4:00 PM
 

Loving Friend said:

To "observer" there is a reason it is called an ACCIDENT.  No one is blaming the land owners we all just want to make sure this NEVER happens again.  Stop trying to point out the flaws of these fine young me and let their lives be remembered with the good memories we all have of them.  Keep your nasty comments to yourself, if you feel that strongly, just keep it to yourself.

To the Goich's and the Davis's your sons were two of the brightest and best young men that i have ever met, my heart is with all of you.  Accidents happen and never let anyone tell you that this was anyone's fault. R.I.P. Josh and Kevin, and please let all of us grieve and mourn for two amazing boys that we loved so much.
May 2, 2007 4:05 PM
 

Elem.teacher & FM senior parent said:

I teach 3rd graders with more compassion and intelligence than observer, oh well, huh, and Enough.  I find their comments to be extremely disturbing and so far off base that it's ridiculous.  God forbid a tragedy should ever strike someone they love.  This is not about minorities, or "good children".  I can say with 100% certainty, as a parent and a teacher, that there is no such thing as the perfect child.  We raise them the best we can.  This is about the tragic ending of two young lives and the impact it will forever have on their families and friends.  I pray for the families of these two boys and their classmates.  My heart goes out to you all.  Kudos to FM Senior Mom!  You hit the nail on the head!
May 2, 2007 4:11 PM
 

Kim said:

I live in Auburn, NY, I did not know these young men. But my heart feels for the Families and Friends and the whole Community. I have two teenaged daughters and I can't even imagine the pain and hurt. My prayers and thoughts are with all of you. God Bless..
May 2, 2007 4:12 PM
 

Diane said:

I am a mom of two sons, one 19 and one 25, and I just can not express the heartache I am feeling for the families of these two young men.  I can't fathom it, understand it, or even come close to imagining what you are all going through right now.  I, along with any other parent reading this, never ever want to be put in this situation.  I am so very sorry that you have been.  You have wonderful memories of these two young men.  Memories will be with you forever, and I do hope these memories help you through this.  My heart and prayers go out to all of you.
May 2, 2007 4:15 PM
 

Deborah DeBottis said:

I am the mom of a 14 year old and it is so scary to think that that could happen to my son, my heart aches for you, I could not possibly understand what you are going thru but my prayers are going out for you and your family.  Your sons will always be remembered as the wonderful kids they were.  
May 2, 2007 4:38 PM
 

Mary said:

My thoughts and prayers and love and light go out to the families of these young men who lost thier lives so tragically. To the people who find it appropriet to speak negatively about these young men about what they did, or what they could of done, or for what they have, shame on you! I agree - your anger is not welcome here. Just your compassion and understanding and love for these young men's families and friends - but you don't have it in your heart to do that, so I agree with the person who said to start a blog for angry, ingnorant people like you to post and debate and rant and rave about what's making  you angry.  Just don't post it here.
RIP Kevin and Josh. May the Goddess and God hold you in thier light.  I send love and energy to the families and friends of these young men. Peace and love and light to all of them. Blessings, Mary
May 2, 2007 4:44 PM
 

sara said:

I AM SO SORRY. I AM JUST BEGINNING TO LEARN TO DRIVE AND DIDNT REALIZE HOW CAUTIOUS U REALLY HAVE TO BE. MY SYMPATHY GOES OUT TO THEIR FAMILES!
May 2, 2007 4:46 PM
 

FM Student said:

I'm so happy that FM has come together in a time of need such as this. I hope that Kevin and Josh actually see how much they meant to each and everyone of us. Rest in peace, you'll never be forgotten.
May 2, 2007 4:59 PM
 

Vincent Kennedy said:

My thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends of these two young men. I see tradegy on a daily basis and i feel for any parent who loses a child so tragically wether from and accident or from gunshots......RIP
May 2, 2007 5:01 PM
 

OH MY said:

I CAN NOT BELIEVE THAT HOW THE DEATH OF THESE TWO YOUNG MEN HAS FIRED UP SO MUCH HATE IN PEOPLE. THE FACT IS THESE WERE TWO YOUNG MEN WHO LIKE MANY OF OUR TEENAGERS TODAY THINK THAT NOTHING WILL HAPPEN TO THEM. I HAVE TO WONDER IF THE PEOPLE THAT ARE POSTING SUCH NEGATIVE REMARKS REALLY KNOW WHAT THEIR KIDS ARE REALLY UP TO.   IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THESE KIDS CAME FROM A HOME THAT HAS MONEY OR NOT.  IT DOES NOT MATTER IF THESE KIDS WERE DRIVING A EXPENSIVE CAR OR NOT AND AS FAR AS ONE PERSON WROTE THIS IS NOT ABOUT RACE.  YES, THEY WERE BREAKING THE LAW AND SHOULD NOT OF BEEN THERE, BUT LIKE MOST OF THE KIDS THE SAME AGE THINK ...NO BIG DEAL....THEY MAD A MISTAKE AND NOW THE LOVE ONES LEFT BEHIND HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE NEGATIVE REMARKS THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU POST. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF THIS WAS YOUR CHILD. I READ THAT ONE OF THE BOY WAS WORKING AT A LOCAL GROCERY STORE IF HE WAS SUCH A RICH SPOILED CHILD LIKE SOME OF YOU HAVE WRITTEN THEN WHY WOULD HE OF NEEDED A JOB,THINK ABOUT THAT.  IT MAY MAKE YOU FEEL BETTER BY BLAMING THE PARENTS BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS YOU CAN NOT BE WITH YOU CHILDREN 24/7 YOU HAVE TO GIVE THEM A CHANCE TO SPREAD THEIR WINGS AND YOU JUST HAVE TO HOPE THAT THEY MAKE THE RIGHT CHOICES.  

FROM THE POSITIVE REMARKS THAT I HAVE READ IT IS SO CLEAR THAT THESE TWO TOUCH AND WERE LOVED BY MANY. THEY WILL BE MISSED BUT IT IS SO CLEAR THAT THEY WILL NEVER BE FORGOTTEN. MY THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS GO OUT TO THE FAMILIES OF BOTH THESE YOU MEN.

TO THESE TWO YOUNG MEN'S FRIENDS AND TO THE OTHER YOUNG KIDS.  I HOPE THAT YOU WILL ALWAYS KEEP THIS TRAGEDY IN THE BACK OF YOUR MINDS AND ALL THINK ABOUT THE BIGGER PICTURE BEFORE SOMETHING LIKE THIS HAPPENS AGAIN. PLEASE THINK ABOUT YOUR LOVE ONES THAT YOU WILL BE LEAVING BEHIND.
May 2, 2007 5:03 PM
 

RIP JD and KG said:

I remember Josh from middle school. He never failed to say hello to me in the halls or simply give me a smile while I was adjusting to a new school. The fact that I was younger than him was simply not an issue. He was an extraordinary individual. I didn't know Kevin very well, however, I met him once and he just struck me as an amazing and kind person. I have not stopped thinking about the two of them and how greatly they are missed every second of the day. My heart and prayers go out to their families, friends, and everyone at FM. God Bless.

RIP Kevin and Josh...you'll always be with us <3
May 2, 2007 6:05 PM
 

FM Student said:

Yesterday the world of the FM community was turned upside down. These were two of the most amazing young men anyone could have ever met. My heart goes out to the Goich and Davis family. To all of the people leaving negative comments, you have no idea what we are all going through. FM has been completely silent for the past two days. Yes, a lot of us have wealthy families, but that has nothing to do with what happened to Kevin Goich and Josh Davis. Our parents have worked hard for their money as we work hard for our grades. These boys were rewarded due to their work ethic. I feel so lucky to be able to attend Fayetteville-Manlius HS, it is a wonderful school full of Opportunities. The point of this comment is to express the extent of the grief FM shares. To Josh & Kevin, you boys are extremely loved and missed! May your souls R.I.P
May 2, 2007 6:06 PM
 

Dede said:

A poem for two grieving families:  

Death is nothing at all
I have only slipped away into the next room
I am I and you are you
Whatever we were to each other
That we are still
Call me by my old familiar name
Speak to me in the easy way you always used
Put no difference into your tone
Wear no forced air of solemnity or sorrow
Laugh as we always laughed
At the little jokes we always enjoyed together
Play, smile, think of me, pray for me
Let my name be ever the household word that it always was
Let it be spoken without effort
Without the ghost of a shadow in it
Life means all that it ever meant
It is the same as it ever was
There is absolute unbroken continuity
What is death but a negligible accident?
Why should I be out of mind
Because I am out of sight?
I am waiting for you for an interval
Somewhere very near
Just around the corner
All is well.
Nothing is past; nothing is lost
One brief moment and all will be as it was before
How we shall laugh at the trouble of parting when we meet again!
May 2, 2007 6:12 PM
 

Baldwinsville Bee said:

I lost a friend last year to a freak accident out in Lysander, My prayers are still with his family and friends, as well as the parents and friends of these two young men.


Teens are going to act like teens, the ones on here putting down other people need to open up there eyes, They were teenagers once too.   I'm sure they did things that they regret..

My prayers are with you
May 2, 2007 6:36 PM
 

FM student said:

Josh and Kevin - you will always be with us at FM. The halls are stilled filled with your spirit and your smiling faces. you will always be in our prayers.

God Bless the families of Josh and Kevin and all of their friends and everyone at FM who has been affected by this tragedy.

*~we love you~*
May 2, 2007 6:37 PM
 

don said:

so let me get this straight.observer says if you tresspass,skip school or do something stupid,you are to die?or derserve to die?or no pity is in order?pretty harsh don't you think observer?ironic having observer for a nickname and yet you are oblivious to things going on around you such as sorrow,pain,grief.........
May 2, 2007 6:57 PM
 

I miss Josh and Kevin said:

Wow. Who ever observer and parent are, need to both take a second and grow a heart. That is not right to write such terrible things about two innocent boys who just lost there lives. I didn't know people could be so heartless. Two families just lost there kids and all you have to say is how parents should take control and how they weren't good kids... Please just let these poor boys rest in peace.
My love and prayers are with Josh's and Kevin's family.
Who ever has a problem with that please feel free to write me a letter.
May 2, 2007 7:15 PM
 

CAZENOVIA MOM said:

My thoughts and prayers are with Josh and Kevin's families.
This is every parents worse nightmare.
I pray that both families  find comfort one day in the beautiful memories that they  have  with their  sons.
It is my prayer also that the families find it in their hearts to forgive the people who wrote  the negative comments .
 " ...they know not what they do..
God Bless you All.
May 2, 2007 7:17 PM
 

Nancy K said:

MY heart goes out to the families especially the moms of these boys, some choices may have been made that may of not been the right ones, but you are not to be told to feel guilty that you are privileged. Perhaps you embellished your children but God does not consider that in his choices. He had a bigger plan and the boys are in a better world.
May 2, 2007 7:19 PM
 

Kelly said:

I just had to comment....Josh and Kevin were someone's children...someones grandchildren..someones friend...someones nephew, brother..etc  how dare anyone write anything negative. Think about the person you love most..then imagine them not here...shame on you people who had heartless things to say. My heart truly goes out to the families of these children/Young men. Im so sorry.
May 2, 2007 7:24 PM
 

An FM student said:

I want to send out my prayers to josh and kevin's families and friends. god bless and for all the people who are sending nasty comments... you have no right to say anything bad about them... so stop

rest in peace
kg        jd
we love and miss you
May 2, 2007 7:26 PM
 

FM SENIOR MOM said:

I made some posts here yesterday.  I thought that this might be a place for those that were touched by this tradegy to pay tribute to two fine young men who left us too soon, where those struggling with grief and sadness could find some comfort, and where sympathy could be expressed for this unfathomable loss.  As I read through some of the hurtful posts, made by people who are removed physically and emotionally from these boys and their families and friends, my heart grew heavy and I was more saddened.  I pray that the families of these boys never read these cruel and judgemental postings.  I have no doubt that the families of Kevin and Josh have asked themselves over and over what they could have done to prevent this.  I ask, that in respect to the families and friends of Kevin and Josh, that 9WSYR take down this forum.  The FM Students and Community will stand together and will help each other through this.  The kids have amazed me.  They organized last night's Prayer Vigil, bunches of them gathered and walked together at Green Lakes State Park this afternoon, they organized a Memorial for tonight...  They are all shocked and grieving but I am very proud of the way that they have come together and have supported one another.  I am certain that the reality of what happened to their friends will forever impact them and shape them.  The kids will find a way to share their sadness and thoughts, the school and Community will also.  The tragic deaths of these boys should not become public fodder for blame, hate, criticism and judgment.  Please respect the memories of these boys, their families and friends and take down this forum.  I won't visit here again.

God Bless Kevin and Josh, and may their families and friends find some comfort in their memories of the time they spent in the light of Kevin and Josh.

Scott's Mom
May 2, 2007 7:34 PM
 

An FM student said:

I want to send out my prayers to josh and kevin's families and friends. god bless and for all the people who are sending nasty comments... you have no right to say anything bad about them... so stop

rest in peace
kg        jd
we love and miss you
May 2, 2007 7:34 PM
 

Cady Schmid said:

Hello everyone...I went to Baldwinsville High school and graduated last year.  We lost a close friend too in November of our senior year, Bobby Conklin.  On behalf of the Baldwinsville class of 2006 I would like to offer my deepest sympathy to all of you who have been affected by this tradegy.  It will be a tough road but as long as you keep all of your classmates and family close, it will be easier.  It will take time but the sun will shine for you all again eventually.  In Bobby's honor, I created a memorial website that allows all of his friends, teammates, family and even people who never knew him to leave him messages.  This site has greatly helped many people get through the tradgey of his death.  I'm not sure if someone has already made one for Josh and Kevin but, if not and someone has the interest, Bobby's site is: http://bobbyconklin.memory-of.com/  On the left side of his page is a link to create your own memorial site.  The road will be long and painful but the things that got the B'ville class of 2007 through that tradgey was having eachother and keeping the good memories of Bobby going.  Remembering the good times really helps bring the smiles back!! Hang in there everyone and once again on behalf of the Baldwinsville graduating class of 2007 I would like to offer my deep condolences, comfort and prayers! Shine on boys and take care of your friends and family!

-Cady Schmid (C.W. Baker High School 2007)
May 2, 2007 7:51 PM
 

FM SENIOR MOM said:

Cady:

Thank you sp much for your message and your sympathies.  FM - a memorial site for Kevin and Josh is where we need to express our thoughts and memories - not here.
May 2, 2007 8:10 PM
 

Central Square Mom said:

Make no judgements where you have no compassion.
May 2, 2007 8:11 PM
 

Alice said:

To everyone of you ignorant coldhearted people that have nothing but negative comments ,I hope you never have to face the heartache of losing a child. No this should not have happened .but neither should kids get cancer but they do ,do you blame the parents for that to.  It doesn't matter why it happened what matters now is that we send all our prayers to the family's and friends who are grieving and stop playing  the childish game of finger pointing.GROW UP      
May 2, 2007 8:12 PM
 

razzy said:

I also made one of these for my cousin check it out if you want too

http://timothy-payne-jr.memory-of.com/about.aspx
May 2, 2007 8:20 PM
 

Ann said:

Two families devasted by such a terrible accident.  A parent's worst nightmare.  No parent should ever lose a child.  My prayers are with the families and friends.  Their sons are in a better place, although that probably isn't comforting at this moment.  They would rather have their boys back.  But I do believe in Heaven, and "God comforts the broken hearted".  Your boys ARE in a beautiful place now.  
May 2, 2007 8:21 PM
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