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NPG Contract Approved

Post by Dan Cummings - A midwinter drama is over. And there is reason for applause.  Weeks of wondering and anxious anger have ended. Months of tense negotiations are a thing of the past. Years of waiting have now stopped for 2700 families. Members of the United Auto Workers Union at New Process Gear in DeWitt have overwhelmingly ratified a new contract with Magna Powertrain.
 
Those families who've depended on an NPG paycheck now know how much less their new hourly wage will be, if they stay and work at the plant.  They also know the size of annual April paychecks called "Legacy Transition Bonus" payments...designed to soften the blow of the lower wage.
 
For the longtime Chrysler workers, they now have all the cards face up on the table, and can make a reasonable decision about the various other options open to them:  early retirement, keep working at NPG as a Chrysler "flowback" employee awaiting relocation to another Chrysler plant, or take a one-time cash buyout to separate entirely from both Chrysler and Magna.
 
All those workers have been in the uneasy spotlight since early January, when Magna's threat to close the plant became public.  The company was clear:  we need to drastically lower wages or New Process Gear is history.  UAW members, by their 76% approval of the new contract, made their position equally clear:  they want the plant to stay open...even if hundreds of those workers who voted YES already knew before they cast a ballot that they won't be working there much longer.  It's that kind of selfless consideration for the futures of others that brought the praise of Local 624 president Doug Havens, who said of those workers:  "When voting, they not only considered their own livelihoods but the livelihoods of thousands of families across Central New York."  You can read Havens' entire post-ratification statement elsewhere on our website, and I recommend it strongly.
 
Now, the curtain goes up on a new, and we hope long-running Act 2 for New Process Gear:  a return to profitability and stability.  The employees have done their part, and then some.  They've paid with their emotions and a long period of uncertainty, coupled with admitted mis-management of their plant by Magna.  They will also now pay in real dollar terms, as they adjust to something much less than Big 3 wages.  Others will pay with an entire change of lifestyle and direction as they leave the factory, and we hope for them...that despite the anxiety of a major shift in living...that it's an exciting change for the better.   
 
And that spotlight.  It now bears down on Magna and the new promises made by this company...promises of new investment and a renewed pledge to earn back the trust of their workforce.  It also shines on Albany and Washington, where state and federal lawmakers are being asked for tens of millions by Magna, to upgrade New Process Gear and pay for job training in the years to come.   I'm told state policy-makers would release the requested money ONLY when Magna proves it has put its own money where its mouth is:  The company has promised a 40 million dollar investment this year, and 55 million more in the next two years depending on how much profit the plant makes.  The other thick string attached to Albany's requested dollars: job retention. NPG's owner says it will maintain an hourly and salaried union workforce of at least 1800 people, again depending on production matching business forecasts.  We'll be watching.
Published Saturday, February 23, 2008 12:34 AM by PHRankin
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hi said:

remember....it's all based on Magna making Profets,weather or not they put money in the plant and if they win the contracts for work that they have listed,just because the work is listed does not mean it has been awarded yet. Good luck on the 14th for all of us.
February 23, 2008 10:29 AM
 

bye said:

I WISH THE BEST TO ALL WHO REMAIN WITH MAGNA, BUT JUDGING FROM WHAT I HAVE SEEN I WOULDNT TRUST THEM LEADING ANTS TO A PICNIC....
February 23, 2008 12:24 PM
 

doug said:

the only investments that will be made in the plant will be from workers concessions and state money. magna doesnt want to invest anything here when they can get employees and taxpayers to do it. then when they pull out of here they are  out that much less money
February 23, 2008 1:39 PM
 

taxpayer said:

The state should put a lean on all new equipment magna brings in. so when they pull out, we are not left with just another empty building.
February 23, 2008 7:07 PM
 

SCARAB said:

I just want everyone know that Magna is doing what they wanted to do in the first place . Do any of you think that Magna or the union are looking out for your interests? They aren't!! Did any of you know that there are union officials there that had their papers to leave , before the ratification?  The union knows a lot more than they are telling us! They are just as bad as Magna! I found something on the Detroit Free Press site that might be of interest to all of the workers there at New Process Gear! Chrysler has indicated that if the new rounds of buyouts does not generate enough interest, it could turn to layoffs. At Chrysler, the deadline for most workers to sign up for a buyout has passed,but the company has yet announced how many sought the offer.Chrysler LLC is looking to get rid of 21,000 hourly workers. None of this is properganda ! With all this that has happened, don't think that Magna won't lay anyone off ! And the Union knows about it !!
February 24, 2008 2:00 PM
 

SCARAB said:

what happened to my comment?
February 24, 2008 2:06 PM
 

hi said:

to scarab, your info may be true,and if so I would rather be laid off as a Chrysler worker than a Magit na worker, sub pay with Chrysler,not so with the other guy.
February 24, 2008 4:55 PM
 

hi said:

hey UAW-MAGNA, why no good info on the reason why Saturday's package meeting was canceld? We get a flyer on Friday it's a go and come in on Saturday and there is a note at the gate and it's not happening. Who backed out this time? is this how we start the trust again? I don't want to be MAGNATIZED........;o(
February 24, 2008 6:27 PM
 

SCARAB said:

 This is when you have got to ask the Union what is going on or who is putting the money in their pockets!  On Sunday, did you go to the union hall? There was someone there from Detroit. Do they think that they are going to sweep this under a rug or give the membership some lame excuss .That is all Doug Havens is good for--- Lame excusses !! He is all set ,he will slide right into Niel Falcone's seat at the international . So when he stands in front of you and tells you he decided to stay here in Syracuse ,Ask him about his new seat! The top three in the union will be taken care of.The rest have got to fend for themselves. Havens lied to the membership about doing as muchas he could for legacy workers.They didn't do anything for them. He managed to take care of his family ! The longer you stay there ,the more you get screwed!!
February 24, 2008 8:16 PM
 

SCARAB said:

HERE IS A SIGHT THAT PROVES WHAT HAS BEEN SAID ALL ALONG ABOUT THE UNION,THEY CAN'T BE TRUSTED EITHER!!  GO TO: www.futureoftheunion.com . THAT IS VERY INFORMATIVE !!! NOW I WANT TO SEE HOW BUSY OUR UNION IS GOING TO BE !!!! THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT THE WORKERS,THEY ARE TRYING TO SAVE THEIR HIDES !!!
February 25, 2008 6:05 AM
 

sbu said:

I  heard Magna is backing out of the packages for now because they didnt realize how many flow backs they would have to pay for!They probably will still want to close the plant due to there liability with the flow backs
February 25, 2008 6:15 AM
 

hi said:

how can magna back out so early? there are no numbers yet as to the flow backs,voting is not till March 12th. Besides doesn't Chrysler pay for the packages? the v-teps and the early and regular retirements?
February 25, 2008 7:13 AM
 

SCARAB said:

 IT HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE AMOUNT OF FLOW-BACKS.THE UNION KNOWS WHAT EXACTLY WHAT IS GOING ON ! I AM WILLING TO BET ,THAT YOU PROBABLY HEARD THAT FROM SOMEONE IN THE UNION ! BEFORE THE RATIFICATION, I WAS TOLD THAT I WOULD HAVE TO LEAVE BY A UNION OFFICIAL ! THEY DIDN'T OR DON'T WANT LEGACY WORKERS TO TAKE THE FLOW-BACK FOR ONE REASON--BECAUSE ALL PLANTS ARE GOING TO DROP THE WAGES TO $14 AN HOUR ,AND THEY DON'T WANT MAGNA STUCK PAYING THE LEGACY WORKERS THEIR WAGES! IF YOU THINK THAT WHAT I AM SAYING IS BULL ,THEN SIGN INTO THE DETROIT FREE PRESS !! THE PLANTS ARE ALL RESTRUCTURING. THEY ARE ALL TRYING TO GID RID OF EXPERIENCED WORKERS TO REPLACE THEM WITH NON-EXPERIENCED EMPLOYEES ,JUST SO THEY CAN PAY THEM PEANUT SALARIES!  THROW THIS ION THE UNIONS FACE,YOU WILL BE SUPRIZED BTY THEIR REACTION!
February 25, 2008 7:26 AM
 

hi said:

so do you think that a chrysler,magna deal may have to sweeten the pot for the legacy workers to leave chrysler?
February 25, 2008 9:41 AM
 

det dan said:

It's a roll of the dice no matter what option you choose. Stay with Chrysler?, their future looks bleak. They may not be around for long and you'll have uprooted your family and disrupted your whole life to chase a pension that is looking more and more unlikely.
Switch to Magna? They have lied in the past and are not starting out this new chapter very well, postponing the exit packages.
They never wanted this plant in the first place, they were forced by Chrysler to buy it or face loss of other very profitible business they have with them.
Seems like they're just looking for an excuse to say "we can't afford to operate here", and close the place as soon as they can.
I'm taking the $100,000 and running.
February 25, 2008 5:02 PM
 

hi said:

what kind of a deal would we get under a plant closing?
February 25, 2008 6:21 PM
 

teslasmomny said:

det dan:  I'm with you, buddy!!!  Take the $100K and run like hell!
February 26, 2008 8:05 AM
 

yo said:

$100k, then what??? No medical, no job, no pension. Hope you can life the rest of your life on that $100k.
February 27, 2008 4:54 AM
 

det dan said:

I've worked there for over 20 years, made over 1 million. Have a big 401K.
Everything is paid for and have NO debt. I think I'll survive.
It's these people that live well above their means that will be in trouble.
See ya!
February 27, 2008 5:52 AM
 

hi said:

just think det dan,no medical,one bad injury or family illness and say good buy to your 401k.
yes you are right,I know many people in the plant that have lived with the high debt load and they are not happy at this time. Promises were made till 2011 and Magna backed out. To bad the union wasn't as honest as we all would have liked. It seems that it would have cost Magna over a hundred millon dollors to close the plant before 2011 in penelties and fees. We were snookerd by the people that knew this. Deals have been made in the dark and rewards will be given to those that made it happen. I can only hope that Chrysler will take care of it's people,but I know too that they are looking to pay the lower wages with no pension. It will bite them all in the ass because who will be able to afford the new vehicles?
GOOD LUCK ALL................
February 27, 2008 1:57 PM
 

yo said:

Det Dan, I would assume you are taken a retirement package. If with 20+ yrs, and your not near retirement age, taken the cash and walking away from your pension,(stopping its accumilation) and medical, To the day you die, and surviving spouse, Is NUTS!!! You'll come back with, "who's to say it will be there down the road??" No one can say, but for one thing I can say, It's still there NOW and what the rest of us are in the long haul fight for!!!! If your in your mid 40's to 50, expect to pay around $500000 in just medical insurance premiums, with-out co-pays and deductables  to make it to 80. That's at today's cost and rising as we speak. Good luck and a wise man to invest.
February 27, 2008 10:57 PM
 

Teslasmomny said:

YO:  ......you take the $100K....pay off your debts.....and get a new job!!  You don't have to make $30/hr. if you have no debt!  

I agree fully with Det Dan:   take the $100K and run like hell...........

Besides.......Check around a little.........the benefits are NVG/Magna are not the greatest, that's for sure!!  

And YO..........there are very, very, very few jobs in America that still pay pensions......it's unheard of any more.........and you can get health insurance with ANY job.   Magna is not all that it's cracked up to be........obviously.....you have been brain washed over your years there.
February 28, 2008 7:59 AM
 

hi said:

I just don't get it with everyone.Magna loves us,just read todays 28th news paper,the bigshots were so worried for us,they love us long time heheeeee lol
February 28, 2008 11:48 AM
 

hi said:

hey,whats with the jerking around with the packages,last week,this week? when?
Maeget na backing out?????
February 28, 2008 6:47 PM
 

yo said:

Teslasmomny: I have three young kids, two entering college next year and the third in a couple years. My debts are way under control and live well under my means at present. Insurance premium, cobra, is $1000 per month EASILY, Good or bad plan, and your next job you can bet you'll be paying a BIG percentage of it.  Your right on pension, That's why we are fighting to keep every bit we can. $100000 won't last long with energy prices rising,wheat,milk. Just between heating my small house, taxes in lovely NY, feeding my kids (eat everthing in the canbinets LOL) and gas'in my car to get to work will kill that.  Just A note for you brained washed. If a company is offering you Money to give up everthing, regardless of the amount, It's to their best interest you take it.
February 28, 2008 10:04 PM
 

Yo said:

Also, "Health insurance with any job???" NOT TRUE, some yeah, any NO!!
February 28, 2008 10:08 PM
 

TeslasmomNY said:

Yo:  I understand the expenses for children, just as you do.  I have 3, also.  No, $100K will not last forever....it will simply pay off things that people were projecting to pay off BEFORE 2011...which was supposedly guaranteed wage.  THAT is where MAGNA screwed everybody.  People had roofs to put on their homes....school fees....etc. and had time to get things paid up before the wage cut.  Now, that was stabbed right through the heart.

I have health insurance at my position....yes....at the tune of $500/month for a family plan.............but the STRESS at that GOD AWFUL PLANT is enough to kill a full Army of Men!! It's worth the pay loss to get the hell out of there!  Money is NOT everything.  It's great to want to put your family in a nice home, and send your kids to school.......but isn't it more important to BE AROUND YOUR FAMILY??????    I never even spent ONE WEEKEND with my husband last summer because of that job.  And ya know what............it's just not that important.  What good is it to be swimming in money, and have toys to enjoy if you are not around to enjoy LIFE?

And you are soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo right............it IS TO OUR BEST INTEREST TO TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN!  

I wish you the best, best, best.....truly.....and I truly, truly hope Magna and Chrysler do the right thing by every hard working person in that plant.  I know sooooooo many have soooooo much invested....and soooo much to lose.  We, also, take the hit with everybody else.  We just choose to only take one hit, and don't feel secure in the future of Magna or the American Car Industry.  

So, onward we all go............Best Wishes to All......and God Bless.

February 29, 2008 8:48 AM
 

Remember when said:

I like to know how much Mr.Ashton and the other union reps got paid for there little show back in 2003 meeting. Remember the pounding fist on the desk . What do you not understand,Gaurenteed wages til 2011.Just wondering if Havens and the rest got a better kick back?For a contract that they approved and are already changing things to it.Now they got the state involved, maybe they should get the FBI involved to.
March 1, 2008 9:34 AM
 

SCARAB said:

I found this letter . This was created Jan. 4, $2008 . The nearly 1,100.Chrysler employees laid off from Belvedere assembly plant will get to keep their jobs till late February. Chrysler LLC announced Nov. 1 that it would lay off up to 12,000 workers and eliminate shifts in five North American Plants .  First to go will be temporary workers ,who have no job protection rights ,and employees who transfered from other Chrysler plants and in the process lost their seniority. This was all planned since Nov 2007. The union knew about it ,to this date ,they will tell you that the employees that chose to go to Belvedere have got all their seniotity.Do you believe it?
March 1, 2008 12:31 PM
 

hi said:

got my package yesturday,I am hoping for warm and sunny,untill then, Magna my friend has to pay all of my Chrysler wages and bennies.
March 2, 2008 9:49 AM
 

doug said:

so now we have supposedly approved this new contract (even tho everyone i talk to voted no) and when it is time to pass out the packages it has to be delayed because mr deveson who wants you to trust him, he wants to change the wording and tell us where we have to elect to transfer. maybe when the union stops writing his letters about having a revelation, they can stand up and fight for what we are entitled to. oh, silly me, i must be dreaming. they left there balls at the bargaining table.
March 2, 2008 6:34 PM
 

hi said:

yo doug,packages have already been given and will continue during the week and then info meetings for all during the week,don't they tell you any thing?
March 2, 2008 7:44 PM
 

yo said:

Since when is detriot and ohio the same labor market??? and wheres' toledo on this list??? seems they made your 3 choices for you.  Looks as if they are try'in to scare the mice to certian holes!!!!!!
March 2, 2008 9:49 PM
 

hi said:

why do u say they made the 3 choices 4 u?
yes I see they did the Detroit thing which does stink,but u get 2 choose 2 others,which also may be a waist of time.
March 2, 2008 10:21 PM
 

SCARAB said:

In the signing of this contract, other auto parts suppliers are starting to get the same treatment as us !American Axle workers are on strike . The company says it needs concessions to be competitive in the United States,as it's competitors ,including other suppliers and automakers in-house parts units, have lowered their labor costs. Now every auto worker is going to get screwed no matter where they are/ It is strange ,through all this garbage that is going on with supposed (GLOBALIZATION)< why is it that cities in Texas are the only ones not feeling the pinch?
March 3, 2008 4:14 AM
 

doug said:

yes, i have my package. but did you notice that they were all cut opened at the top and then restapled. yo, doesnt that tell you something????? they were all sealed originally. why were packages tampered with????????
March 3, 2008 4:29 AM
 

hi said:

they said that the language of the first set was writtin wrong some how [WENDY].
they had to redue all of them. they must have forgotton to mark Detroit on all of them.
March 3, 2008 7:15 AM
 

hi said:

I see now that they are lieing [spelling] about the reason for an extra week to decide,SCARE TACTICS.......OOOOOO,LOOK OUT FOR THE BAD CITY OF DETROIT, yeah right,if we stay Chrysler Magna has to pay Chrysler wages ;o)
March 3, 2008 5:01 PM
 

doug said:

why is it dan cummings isnt fair in his reporting? does he really believe that the union is holier than thou? there are alot of pissed off people. not only did they bargain away our wages we were promised, they rammed a contract down our throats that is average at best. they had to use scare tactics to get it to pass by telling us they would not go back to the bargaining table if it were voted down. the doors would just close. i believe by law they would have to go back to the bargaining table. now all our packages have been opened and changed after we approved a contract. they are worried we will have too many flowbacks so now, after the contract approval, they decided to use scare tactics once again so they dont get too many people flowing back.    
March 4, 2008 4:45 PM
 

hi said:

just incase any big shots are reading this,just give me the $ 100 grand upfront and then $ 25 an hour and I'm all Magna......hey what do ya say?
March 4, 2008 6:30 PM
 

Inside 3 said:

Well doug and HI seems like you two are the only ones on this blog lately.Did you go to the meeting yet?what a joke that place has turned out to be.I got relatives that worked there (old school)They gotta be rolling around in there graves.hey Dan Cummings,I'm afraid you don't have a clue what really is going on.The goverment needs to get involved in this.People voted on this contract and they keep changing things in it,now after the fact.I wonder what Jimmy K. thinks of all this.I wish I was gonna be there to see those union guys voted out. oh yeah,,,But they already got themselves cush jobs waiting thanks to Magna.I wonder if Magna threw an endless supply of gum in on the deal.Or is that paid for by us?Everyone on the floor does there job.Why the hell can't they do theirs????!!!!
March 4, 2008 11:50 PM
 

teslasmomny said:

I feel bad for you guys..........what a complete JOKE that union and Magna are.  My better half is taking the $100 and getting the hell out!!!  He is a hard worker, and will find work elsewhere.  I wish you guys the best of luck..........But, if you look way back.........I was all for voting NO.........I knew they would screw you guys over...........bastards.
March 5, 2008 7:56 AM
 

hi said:

yes you are right,things keep changing,now in the 4th quarter of this year if I am not picked up by Chrysler,I will be put in the pile of all other Chrysler people on layoff and if an opening comes up in another plant and I have higher senority than a person from that other plant that is on a layoff, I will be picked to go to that plant insted of the person that is on layoff from that home plant. HOW NICE eh?
March 5, 2008 3:58 PM
 

yo said:

What a joke this is turning out to be. Mr havens and crew are walking on some mighty thin ice. You screw the wrong man , and messing with his livelyhood, Better be prepared for retaliation. We as flow backs have to work 12hr days without OT and on a sat or sunday besides,with this bullshit alternate shifts, and lose our holidays and PAA, You better be ready for the BLANKET PARTY boys!!!!!!!
March 5, 2008 9:20 PM
 

inside 3 said:

Better catch them before they leave.Rumor has it Havens won't be running for president again.He's all set up out in detroit.There setting Mr.Rowe and Begay up for that spot.Don't know about Powers yet, better brush up on his welding skills.He pissed off so many skilled tradesmen.He don't have a chance in hell to get voted in again.Made a wrong choice there Jimmy k.,But at least Jimmy was on the floor and did his job.Not talking on the phone when he sees you coming.He would stop and ask if everything was o.k. Now there talking that 30 year people can stay work the rest of the contract and then retire so why take 70,000. when they can get the 87,500. and work another 3 years.Sorry guys and girls you been punked just like that punky hairdo on Havens head.
March 6, 2008 7:51 AM
 

hi said:

save your money folks,we are betting on less than 4 years,will you get the balance of the $ 87500.00? all at once or over 4 years? IF AT ALL ;o)
you must believe in the charter....yeah right lololol hehehehee
March 6, 2008 7:52 AM
 

hi said:

I see gas is getting closer to $ 4.00 a gal. diesel is @ 4 in some areas of central NY.
I don't want to in a new town on layoff because cars and trucks aren't selling.
March 6, 2008 10:20 PM
 

hi said:

hey another layoff this week coming,can't they do that in the summer when the weather is nicer?
March 8, 2008 9:01 PM
 

chad said:

Nope, but wait till after the signing, How many magna converters are going to raise their hand for volunteer??? from the bottom up people, don't go pass go, don't collect $200 dollars. See ya
March 8, 2008 10:48 PM
 

hi said:

that will be interesting,good to have high senority
March 9, 2008 11:23 AM
 

SCARAB said:

 If the Union and Magna had not gone behind our backs ,and failed to disclose their true intentions to us,that might have not been a bad contract considering how the economy is.Wages are lousy ,and they are only going to get worse. There was too much that the local never revealed to the workers . They just took care of themselves. After some of these union officials retire at the end of April ,you are not going to have any union representation . Doug < Jim , and George will all be taklen care of ,and they won't have to move .The international will take care of them . This contract should have been voted down. The automakers no matter whether Ford,Chrysler or GM, They are all bluffing their way into getting what they want by saying that if things don't go their way ,they will leave ! The Legacy workers have given up and sacrificed left and right ,while everyone else reaps the rewards. That is Bull____ ! And Doug said they did everythging that they could for them.Another lie! The International didn't do anything for the workers of NPG. They protected their own family members though! The only way the Legacy workers would have gort what they deserve is if the plant had closed !
March 9, 2008 2:05 PM
 

SCARAB said:

If the workers with 30 years want to stay here at NPG , They should be the first ones that should be transfered to other Chrysler facilities ! Instead ,woirkers that have a few years to go arte forced to pick up and leave . Those people should already have their homes and what ever bill that they have aquired ,paid for ! Instead ,other workers get the shaft! Magna ,Local 624 , Chrysler ,and the Internatinal ,should get theirr acts together ,and stop[ thinking only of themselves ! If they keep this garbage up ,who knows what could happen next ? They want to piss someone off ,only to think that there won't be any repercussions ! They had better wake up !
March 9, 2008 2:13 PM
 

hi said:

maybe if people go to the dark side [magna] in a few years the 3 headed dog might sell out to magna.Magna did want Chysler. possible?good? bad?
it's all a gamble.
March 9, 2008 3:52 PM
 

doug said:

if the 3 headed dog should sell to magna, the people that decided to stay with magna here in syracuse would be entitled to not a nickel more. they have already approved a contract in which the accept far less. magna would though have to honor the national contract with the rest of the chrysler people though.
March 9, 2008 9:00 PM
 

Det Dan said:

Imagine this, you stay with Chrysler, pack up and move to another city. Cerberus decides to sell Chrysler, Magna is the high bidder. Now you live somewhere else and work for Magna anyway. Would the move have been worth it?
It's a real possibility,,,
March 10, 2008 6:38 AM
 

sleepless nights said:

Now it's $50,000 up front, I think they realized soooo many people would take the VTEP and split, they know they have a skilled work force and are afraid to lose them.
March 11, 2008 4:34 PM
 

hi said:

$ 50 grand...ok ;o)
March 11, 2008 10:15 PM
 

hi said:

went to the meeting,got my 50g's, now I can shop where Elliot shops ;o)
March 12, 2008 3:26 PM
 

WORKING CLASS DOG said:

EXPLAIN TO ME WHY IF WE NEEDED TO VOTE THIS PUPPY TO SAVE THE PLANT AND THE COMMUNITY FROM ECONOMIC HARDSHIP,WHY ARE THEY TALKING ABOUT BUILDING A NEW FACILITY IN ANOTHER COUNTY?  HMMMM DAN CUMMINGS,YOU KNOW ABOUT THIS.
March 12, 2008 3:51 PM
 

hi said:

as they said in the meeting,the plant is a garbage pit,it's old,it would cost a ton of $$$$$ to clean the oil's and other crap in the ground,Magna is leasing it and the lease ran out this year, it's a dump and I bet they won't need a plant that size after 2011.
March 12, 2008 10:45 PM
 

TESLASMOMNY said:

TAKIN' VTEP............YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  OUTTA HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 14, 2008 11:52 AM
 

hi said:

where r u headed TESLAMOMNY? machine shop?
March 14, 2008 12:07 PM
 

telsasmomNY said:

ANYWHERE BUT NVG!!!!!!!!!   WOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
March 14, 2008 2:29 PM
 

Detriot Dan said:

Was going to take the VTEP and run. Now the offer is $50K up front to stay, got to think some more. Still have a week to decide. Maybe I'll go with the Flow,,,,,,
March 14, 2008 4:27 PM
 

hi said:

come on you read today's paper Devison here all good now
March 16, 2008 12:43 PM
 

TeslasmomNY said:

Friday is his last day!!   "Walkin' on Sunshine....wooo hoooo!"

Best wishes to all !!!
March 19, 2008 7:53 AM
 

hi said:

whos last day?
March 19, 2008 10:20 AM
 

TeslasmomNY said:

My husbands.............from what I understand, VTEPS last day is Friday! Yahoo!!
Good luck, everybody!
March 19, 2008 11:29 AM
 

Det Dan said:

Good friday is a holiday, so Thursday will be the last day for many of the VTEPS.
March 19, 2008 12:35 PM
 

hi said:

will they get the holiday pay? lol
March 19, 2008 7:56 PM
 

Det Dan said:

Monday is a Chrysler holiday, but not a Magna one. Magna won't give flow backs the day off, so instead they will have them all work and pay then TRIPLE TIME!
Skilled tradesmen will be making over $100.00 an hour on Monday.
Going to be a costly day for Magna!
March 20, 2008 11:02 AM
 

pizza said:

yup, I see wut u r sayin, now 1 of the union reps that fought hard told us 2nite that he is taking the $100g's and leaving the plant. for a new start in his life,not bad,just in time to talk eveybody else into staying he is jumping ship......makes ya kinda wonder ehh?
March 20, 2008 10:33 PM
 

TeslasmomNY said:

There was a Union Rep that FOUGHT HARD??????   Hmmmmmmm......Don't know the guy!!
March 21, 2008 1:50 PM
 

reallyreal said:

i was a worker out on comp and was told to report to the plant and take a physical to recieve the vtep package and leave. ive been treated wrong and worst of all stalled out by the Nortorious Owen Magraw. this guy has it out personally for me and has given the magna doctor up front the negative nod to keep me out. i was discriminated not by color but just as an employee. i tryed to come back to work since feb and this man that loves to swim in the misery of relish that he puts upon people. this man is cold hearted and so is magna. i passed my (ime) physical but the doctor with Owen magraws nod told me he wouldnt put me back in the plant because he thought i would go right back out on comp. "aaaaaa no doc im here to take the vtep for active,retirery and comp associated workers from this plant" even the doctor something was different from his first thoughts after getting the nod from oooooowen and told me to tell the union to tell the company just as i told him. now the dead line has passed and im sitting. im not getting payments from workers comp and they dont pay my doctors. owen thinks im recieving payments and he doesnt know that im not so hes playing this personal chess game with me. but its all good. and every chrysler employee is eligible for a vtep until 2011. either they pay me 40,000 grand in back pay and i can still come back and take the vtep or let me be on my way. lol all in all some one will give this guy owen a call real soon. thats alot to be paying a person that just wants the vtep to be on his way. if chrysler is trying to get rid of some of us why are people like Owen magraw forcing them out? its not your money "owen and this is not personal but these people need to let the people that want to leave go. im not the only one being mistreated. God Bless everyone. God doesnt like ugly, and thou should help thy neighbor. im out!
March 28, 2008 6:15 PM
 

berly said:

I would like to know if the NVG and Magna sale is actually "official" and if so, as of what date?
April 1, 2008 2:04 PM
 

$$$$$$$$$ said:

fat check today ;o)
also some flow backs are crying...wah..wah., some are getting tapped today..
SEE YA GOTTA GO ;o)
April 3, 2008 10:54 AM
 

Det Dan said:

$$$$$$$$$$$ don't sepnd it all in one place fool,,,,
April 4, 2008 12:31 PM
 

quick098 said:

Hey legacy slugs.... I am one of the new hires laid off in January...guess who is calling me back?  Trust me I will pass.  Just wanted to pass on a little irony that will probably be lost on you.  Your hopes for continued high wages in Syracuse ended when you let the $#@& from MAGNA in the door with the two tier wage system.  All I heard in the shop everyday was...SOLIDARITY...WE ARE ALL BROTHERS...IF ONE STRIKES WE ALL.

Equal until it came to the paycheck.  You fight for your brother and sisters huh.... where were you when MAGNA came knocking.

REALIZE that you that are left behind.... are lying in the beds you made 5 years ago, when you approved the two tier wage.  No pension, lowered benefits, less money.... exactly what you negotiated for me BROTHER.

And still you piss in the face new hirers ...by keeping the two-tier.... sure a union that fights for us all
April 5, 2008 10:50 PM
 

Det Dan said:

Hey quick098, AMF!
NPG is better off without people like you. You're eager to take the job, but then you piss and moan about being hired at a lower rate on the two tier wage system.
And complain about legacy slugs making more than you. You knew this when you signed on.
Hello! You're UNSKILLED, and off the STREET. Chances are you'll cost the company big bucks for all the scrap you run, and your poor attendance.  You don't even deserve the lower wage until you prove you're worth it.
Guess it's back to your old job at Taco Bell.
Good Riddance fool!
April 6, 2008 8:18 AM
 

quick098 said:



REALIZE that you that are left behind.... are lying in the beds you made 5 years ago, when you approved the two tier wage.  No pension, lowered benefits, less money.... exactly what you negotiated for me BROTHER.
April 6, 2008 8:32 AM
 

quick098 said:

Det Dan

"NPG is better off without people like you. You're eager to take the job, but then you piss and moan about being hired at a lower rate on the two-tier wage system. And complain about legacy slugs making more than you. You knew this when you signed on. "

Trust me BROTHER the two-tier wage wasn't mentioned in orientation by my distinguished union reps. I expected to be on the same road you started on 20 years ago.  I want to work hard.  Its not the money that makes someone work hard...you either have that value or you don't.

"Hello! You're UNSKILLED, and off the STREET. Chances are you'll cost the company big bucks for all the scrap you run, and your poor attendance.  You don't even deserve the lower wage until you prove you're worth it."

Prove it to who...Guess what my friend being in a real union is not about proving it.  It is about protecting and being an advocate for workers. It is easy to say well as long as it's not me getting the lower wage its ok.

"Guess it's back to your old job at Taco Bell.
Good Riddance fool!"

Well I will be sure to say hi to your fellow brothers in a couple of years when they are in line for a job at burger king...when this plant pulls out...who will be the unskilled workers then.  Last time I checked they don't make transfer cases at Burger King.
April 6, 2008 8:58 AM
 

yo said:

$$$$$$$$$$$, when's the tapping starting??? Haven’t heard any of us flow backs crying yet, as a Matter of fact many of us ready to go now!!!! Like to know where you get your info?? You a rumor starter or the pigeon??? Also would like to thank you and the other magna converts that paid $500 plus union dues, and your future dues, YES because you are still paying for UAW representation, that contribute to our VEBA and pension funds that, Oh yeah, you cut your ties and your years service frozen, until retirement age, 65 or 67 where ever you fall. Spend that $29000 wisely because you'll need it to supplement that $405 a week come shut-down's and lay-offs, just like you fearless leader mentioned in his hand bill (“Invest Wisely”) Quote/Unquote . Let the TAPPING BEGIN!!!!!!!

 quick098, no need to run your mouth here, you quit " Trust me I will pass" remember??
April 7, 2008 5:42 AM
 

yea said:

the grass is always greener on the other side
April 7, 2008 7:44 AM
 

TeslasmomNY said:



Sounds like it's still crazy at that plant!!!  Remember guys, don't let those bastards take your sanity!  Money is not everything.
April 7, 2008 8:27 AM
 

Det Dan said:

No tapping yet.
From what I heard, Magna wants us flowbacks out ASAP, but Chrysler says NO, you keep them.
Magna is responsible for us up until the end of the agreement.
It makes more financial sense for Chrysler not to pull us out, but to let Magna continue to pay us so they don't have to. It's only 173 of us, Magna can handle it.
I have the feeling Chrysler will stall the moves as long as they can.
I hope I'm right.
April 7, 2008 5:05 PM
 

yo said:

"Yea", never went to the other side of the fence, Stayed were I was. Fertilizer on that side smells like, well you get it.
April 8, 2008 5:59 AM
 

yea said:

I thought the flowbacks were ready for the tapping to begin
April 8, 2008 7:54 AM
 

yo said:

I Stayed Chrysler,Flow back, Did not go to magna's side of the fence, thier fertlizer may make the grass greener but it smells strongly of, "you get it NOW??. We're ready for the tapping!! this clear up things for "yea"???
April 9, 2008 5:46 AM
 

yea said:

"yo" wait until magna buys chrysler and your out in detroit with your thumb up well you what
April 9, 2008 7:16 AM
 

yea said:

didn't they already try that??? you another piegon???Don't spend your 29000 all in one place there Mr yea. And I have family in Detroit. How you pass judgement on detroit, by hear-say??and what your told by your reliable union and magna to get you to go with them??? Wait till magna goes to new plant with new product and say's well, you can have a job here but at $14 and hour. Then who's thumb will be where?? Who ever buys chrysler from here out to 2011 will inherit the national contrat. Good luck, Obvisiously thier scare tactic worked on you along with around 1400-1500 others. Chrysler was dancing when they heared them #'s and magna was dancing Too. Both just wiped thier hands of over 2000 people's wages
April 9, 2008 4:05 PM
 

yea said:

"yo" I hate to burst your bubble but i don't need chrysler or magna. ME as a father moving my kid in a school that's not worth a nickel. Not a chance.......  As for the money part me unlike you I have trade . I don"t have to go to detroit. Back to the money the wife has 20 years at the school district. A little better then going to your chrysler job in detroit .   I hope everything works for you.
April 10, 2008 9:16 AM
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